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Old 05-25-2011, 07:16 PM   #46
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Well I am done posting on this thread because I apparently I can't convey myself well enough and am offensive by nature.

I believe Nalbandian, Safin, Gulbis and Gasquet are extremely talented players and I am big fans of at least Nalbandian and Safin. But I just never understand the overreaching comparisons to the greats. I know all 4 of those guys have had their lapses in concentration from time to time, but I see that kind of mental weakness as being a lack of talent.
well that's a better post from you. See, it is not that hard.. I think people react badly to your attitude of "try to convince me" or "try to prove me wrong" .. If yopu think that "mental weakness as being a lack of talent" then it's fine. But you never proved your point before.

dont stop posting, just gain some rythm. And dont take people here too personal otherwise you ll end upset
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Old 05-25-2011, 07:18 PM   #47
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Then you're just stretching the definition of "talent" to mean "everything that conduces to success". And if you're going to do that, of course you wouldn't differentiate talent & achievement.
Yeah, maybe. I thought about that last line of my post, but the definition of talent is:

1. a special natural ability or aptitude: a talent for drawing.
2.a capacity for achievement or success; ability: young men of talent.

If a player is mentally weak, doesn't that negate their "ability or aptitude?" Gasquest has not shown "a capacity for achievement" ... if anything he has shown an amazing incapacity at winning big matches.

But I get how my definition is not the traditional definition of the word.
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Old 05-25-2011, 07:22 PM   #48
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It's a myth.
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Old 05-25-2011, 07:22 PM   #49
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Reaching the 4 GS Semifinals requires talent
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I just realized, MTF seriously needs to lighten up.
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Watching Nalbandian in 2003 (and sometimes a bit later too ) makes all questions disappear.

I think kids who haven't even been born that time should spend some time catching up with basic tennis knowledge before they start "knowing better" I suggest starting with the matches where Nalbandian was spanking the peaking or close to peaking Federer to realize what the adults are talking about
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He eats like elephant and is still top 25, that surely tells enough, he should ask food tips mr.Djokovic
Fat Dave on a gluten-free diet would sweep every tournament he entered. It's not fair to the other players. Not even Fedal dominance could compare
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Serena has 0 movement, and little or no technique ... do you think she is more talented?
If I hadn't already, I stopped taking you seriously after this statement. Wozniacki wishes she was more talented than Serena.
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Great talent. Many similar topics to this, but I remember someone writing a great post about Nalby went something like this -

Look at the guy. He has no really special physical attributes. He's not the greatest mover or the quickest, or best defender. He can't just fall back on defending all day, getting balls back. He isn't the strongest or most powerful. He isn't tall. He has a weak serve.

And yet despite that, the guy has the ability to beat and cause trouble to most anyone including some of the best in the game. For me, that's a great sign of talent. He has to primarily rely on his point construction, and shotmaking ability to get by. He can't fall back on the crazy defending/flexibility/physicality of guys like Nadal, Djoko and Murray. He doesn't have the tremendous serve of a Fed. He doesn't have the easy power of a Del Potro.

It's tough to play consistently when you don't have much else to rely on.
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Great talent. Many similar topics to this, but I remember someone writing a great post about Nalby went something like this -

Look at the guy. He has no really special physical attributes. He's not the greatest mover or the quickest, or best defender. He can't just fall back on defending all day, getting balls back. He isn't the strongest or most powerful. He isn't tall. He has a weak serve.

And yet despite that, the guy has the ability to beat and cause trouble to most anyone including some of the best in the game. For me, that's a great sign of talent. He has to primarily rely on his point construction, and shotmaking ability to get by. He can't fall back on the crazy defending/flexibility/physicality of guys like Nadal, Djoko and Murray. He doesn't have the tremendous serve of a Fed. He doesn't have the easy power of a Del Potro.

It's tough to play consistently when you don't have much else to rely on.
Absolutely agree. Plus there are those injuries.
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huh...?

it's common knowledge that The Fat was blessed with a generous amount of GOATness...
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I think I understand what you are saying, but at times it seems like a cop-out. It is too subjective and too easy of a way to end an argument.

If Nalbandian is that much more talented than Federer, or even is equal... what the HELL has he been doing. He can't be that much of a headcase.
No, he is not headcase. He just love to spend his time at soussage stands
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biggest talent of the last 20 years.
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biggest talent of the last 20 years.
one of the biggest along with safin who underachieved
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i mean lets be honest... who has more talent. A safin and nalbandian, or an agassi?
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