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Old 04-26-2011, 07:09 PM   #1
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Default ATP Titles Confusion. ATP Archive vs. ATP Media Guide

It's annoying me that ATP often have two or three different numbers on number of titles and finals, especially early in the Open Era. For example, if you enter Rod Laver's ATP profile, he has 42 titles. Then you go to Titles/Finals and he has 40. Then you go to the 2011 ATP Media Guide (page 250), and he has 47.

This is very confusing. ITF also has their own numbers. ATP and ITF should really go through this and fix it.

I've made a list of tournaments that appear in ATP Media Guide, but not in the ATP Archive...and opposite.

Tournaments included in ATP Media Guide, but not in ATP Archive
Code:
Year	Tournament/City	Singles Winner		Notes		ITF listed?
1968	Beckenham	Stolle, Fred				Y. Draw available
1968	Dublin		Okker, Tom				Y. Draw available, but messed up
1968	Midland		Gonzales, Pancho	Pro tourn.	N
1969	Aix-en-Provence	Emerson, Roy				Y, no draw
1969	Berlin		Moore, Ray				Y, no draw
1969	Chicago		Rosewall, Ken				Y, no draw
1969	Cologne		Gimeno, Andres				Y, no draw
1969	Brussels	Okker, Tom				Y, no draw
1969	Newport		Okker, Tom				Y, no draw
1969	Tokyo		Okker, Tom				Y (Japan), no draw
1969	Amsterdam	Okker, Tom				Y (Dutch Open), no draw
1969	Milwaukee	Okker, Tom				Y, no draw
1969	Dublin		Hewitt, Bob				Y, no draw
1969	London Indoor	Laver, Rod				Y (Wembley), no draw
1969	Johannesburg	Laver, Rod				Y (South Afr. Open). Draw available
1969	Los Angeles	Laver, Rod				Y, no draw
1969	Forth Worth	Laver, Rod				Y, no draw
1969	Las Vegas	Gonzales, Pancho			Y, no draw
1969	Tucson		Roche, Tony				Y, no draw
1969	Hollywood	Roche, Tony				N
1969	Oakland		Roche, Tony				Y, no draw
1970	Dusseldorf	Bungert, Wilhelm			N
1970	Bristol		Pilic, Nikola				N
1970	Buffalo		Graebner, Clark				N
1970	Houston		Graebner, Clark				N
1970	Beckenham	Graebner, Clark				N
1970	Corpus Christi	Rosewall, Ken				Y. Draw available
1970	Eastbourne	Rosewall, Ken				N
1970	Welsh Open	Rosewall, Ken				N
1970	Bournemouth	Cox, Mark				Y. Draw available
1970	Dallas		Gimeno, Andres				Y. Draw available
1970	Atlanta WCT	Okker, Tom				Y. Draw available
1970	Brussels	Okker, Tom				N
1970	Leicester	Okker, Tom				N
1970	Durban		Hewitt, Bob				N
1970	Hampton		Smith, Stan				N
1970	Nottingham	Smith, Stan				N
1970	Hobart		McManus, Jim				N
1970	Sydney		Laver, Rod				Y. Draw available
1970	Fort Worth	Laver, Rod				Y. Draw available
1970	Vancouver	Laver, Rod				Y. Draw available
1970	Johannesburg	Laver, Rod				N
1970	London Indoor	Laver, Rod				Y. Draw available
1970	Los Angeles	Ralston, Dennis				Y, no draw
1970	Merion		Ruffels, Ray				Y. Draw available
1970	Las Vegas	Gonzales, Pancho			Y. Draw available
1970	Midland		Taylor, Roger				Y. Draw available
1970	Munich		Tiriac, Ion				Y. Draw available
1970	St. Petersburg	Kodes, Jan				N
1971	Johannesburg	Rosewall, Ken				N
1971	Durban		Hewitt, Bob				N
1971	Dublin		Drysdale, Cliff				N
1971	Kent		Smith, Stan				N
1971	San Francisco	Laver, Rod				Y. Draw available
1971	Madrid		Tiriac, Ion				N
1971	Senigallia	Panatta, Adriano			Y. Draw available	
1972	Adelaide Dec.	Metreveli, Alex				N
1972	Austr. HC Feb.	Masters, Geoff				N
1972	Austr. HC Nov.	Masters, Geoff				N
1972	Tokyo		Rosewall, Ken				N
1972	Cleveland	Zednik, Vladimir	!? - Lost final	Y, no draw
1972	Macon		Cox, Mark				N?
1972	Midland		Fairlie, Brian				N?
1972	Perth		Proisy, Patrick				N
1972	Roanoke		Connors, Jimmy				Y, no draw
1973	San Juan	Metreveli, Alex				N
1973	Beckenham	Metreveli, Alex				N
1973	Surbiton	Davidson, Owen				N
1974	Hobart		Masters, Geoff				Y, no draw
1976	Towson		Gerulaitis, Vitas			Y. Draw available
1979	Dorado Beach	Connors, Jimmy		TOC		Y. Draw available
1979	Little Rock	Gerulaitis, Vitas			Y. Draw available
1981	Lagos		Stefanki, Larry				Y. Draw available
1981	Tampa		Borowiak, Jeff		! - Lost final	Y. Draw available
1981	Salisbury	Scanlon, Bill		WCT Inv. 	Y (WCT Invitational). Only final available
1985	Munich		Schwaier, Hans		! - Lost final	Y. Draw available
Tournaments included in ATP Archive, but not in ATP Media Guide
Code:
Year	Tournament/City	Singles Winner		Notes		ITF listed?
1968	Cincinnati	Harris, William				N
1968	Dusseldorf	Gulyas, Istvan				N
1968	Kitzbuhel	Mulligan, Martin			N
1968	Barcelona	Mulligan, Martin			N, from '69
1968	Los Angeles	Laver, Rod				Y, no draw
1968	Monte Carlo	Pietrangeli, Nicola			N, from '69
1968	Newport		Riessen, Marty				N, from '69
1968	Paris Indoor	Holecek, Milan				N, from '69
1968	Philadelphia	Santana, Manuel				N, from '69
1969	Barcelona	Orantes, Manuel				N
1969	Bristol		Rosewall, Ken				Y, no draw
1969	Perth		Riessen, Marty				Y, no draw
1969	Bastad		Santana, Manuel				Y, no draw
1969	Kitzbuhel	Santana, Manuel				N
1970	Tucson		Riessen, Marty				Y. Draw available
1970	London		Riessen, Marty				N
1971	Caracas		Koch, Thomaz				N
1971	Berkeley	Laver, Rod				N
1973	Cleveland	Davis, Martin				N
1973	Dusseldorf	Pohmann, Hans-Jurgen			N
1974	Las Vegas	Laver, Rod				N, from '75
1976	Auckland	Parun, Onny				N, until '75
1976	Cleveland	Rahim, Haroon				N
1976	Copenhagen	Elvstrom, Lars				N
1976	Khartoum	Estep, Mike				N
1977	Cairo		Jauffret, Francois			N, from '78
1977	Florence	Bertolucci, Paolo			N, from '79
1977	Zurich		Norback, Jan				N
1979	Adelaide	Warwick, Kim				N
1979	Cairo		Feigl, Peter				Y. Draw available
1979	Montgomery	Waltke, Trey				N
1979	Rancho Mirage	Tanner, Roscoe				N
1980	Perth		Dibley, Colin				N
1982	Caracas		Ramirez, Raul				Y. Draw available
1982	Guaruja		Winitsky, Van		! - Challenger	Y. Draw available	
1983	Bahia		Rebolledo, Pedro			N
1983	Stuttgart Outd.	Higueras, Jose				N. Both '82 and '84
1984	Olympics LA	Edberg, Stefan		Demo Olympics	Y. Draw available
All the players with different numbers in ATP Archive and ATP Media Guide
Code:
Player			Archive	Guide	Diff.	Added/Missing in Media Guide
Baur, Patrick		2	0	2	Forgotten (Guaraja 1991, Seoul 1991)
Bertolucci, Paolo	6	5	1	Florence 1977 missing
Borowiak, Jeff		5	6	-1	Tampa 1981 added
Burgsmuller, Lars	1	0	1	Forgotten (Copenhagen 2002)
Connors, Jimmy		107	109	-2	Roanoke 1972, Dorado Beach ToC 1979 added
Cox, Mark		8	10	-2	Bournemouth 1970, Macon 1972 added
Davidson, Owen		0	1	-1	Surbiton 1973 added
Davis, Martin		4	3	1	Cleveland 1973 missing
Dibley, Colin		4	3	1	Perth 1980 missing
Drysdale, Cliff		5	6	-1	Dublin 1971 added
Edberg, Stefan		42	41	1	Olympics Demo 1984 (Los Angeles) missing
Elvstrom, Lars		1	0	1	Forgotten/Copenhagen 1976 missing
Emerson, Roy		3	4	-1	Aix-en-Provence 1969 added
Estep, Mike		2	1	1	Khartoum 1976 missing
Fairlie, Brian		2	3	-1	Midland 1972 added
Feigl, Peter		4	3	1	Cairo 1979 missing
Gerulaitis, Vitas	25	27	-2	Towson 1976, Little Rock 1979 added
Gimeno, Andres		5	7	-2	Cologne 1969, Dallas 1970 added
Gonzales, Pancho	3	6	-3	Midland 1968, Las Vegas 1969+1970 added
Graebner, Clark		4	7	-3	Buffalo 1970, Houston 1970, Beckenham 1970 added
Gulyas, Istvan		1	0	1	Forgotten/Dusseldorf 1968 missing
Harris, William		1	0	1	Forgotten/Cincinnati 1968 missing
Hewitt, Bob		4	7	-3	Dublin 1969, Durban 1970+1971 added
Higueras, Jose		16	15	1	Stuttgart Outdoor 1983 missing
Holecek, Milan		1	0	1	Forgotten/Paris Indoor 1968 missing
Jauffret, Francois	2	1	1	Cairo 1977 missing
Koch, Thomaz		2	1	1	Caracas 1971 missing
Kodes, Jan		8	9	-1	St. Petersburg 1970 added
Laver, Rod		40	47	-7	London Indoor 1969, Johannesburg 1969, Los Angeles 1969, Forth Worth 1969, 
						Sydney 1970, Forth Worth 1970, Vancouver 1970, Johannesburg 1970, London Indoor 1970,
						San Francisco 1971 added; Los Angeles 1968, Berkeley 1971, Las Vegas 1974 missing
Masters, Geoff		1	4	-3	Australian HC Feb.+Nov. 1972, Hobart 1974 added
McManus, Jim		0	1	-1	Hobart 1970 added
Metreveli, Alex		5	8	-3	Adelaide Dec. 1972, San Juan 1973, Beckenham 1973 added
Moore, Ray		0	1	-1	Berlin 1969 added
Mulligan, Martin	2	0	2	Forgotten/Kitzbuhel 1968, Barcelona 1968 missing
Norback, Jan		1	0	1	Forgotten/Munich 1977 missing
Okker, Tom		22	31	-9	Dublin 1968, Brussels 1969, Newport 1969, Tokyo 1969, Amsterdam 1969, Milwaukee 1969, 
						Atlanta WCT 1970, Brussels 1970, Leicester 1970 added. Montreal 1973, not Toronto.
Orantes, Manuel		33	32	1	Barcelona 1969 missing. Montreal 1975, not Toronto.
Palmer, Jared		1	0	1	Forgotten (Pinehurst 1994 missing)
Panatta, Adriano	9	10	-1	Senigallia 1971 added
Parun, Onny		5	4	1	Auckland 1976 missing
Pietrangeli, Nicola	1	0	1	Forgotten/Monte Carlo 1968 missing
Pilic, Nikola		3	4	-1	Bristol 1970 added
Pohmann, Hans-Jurgen	2	1	1	Dusseldorf 1973 missing
Proisy, Patrick		1	2	-1	Perth 1972 added
Rahim, Haroon		2	1	1	Cleveland 1976 missing
Ralston, Dennis		0	1	-1	Los Angeles 1970 added
Ramirez, Raul		18	17	1	Caracas 1982 missing
Rebolledo, Pedro	3	2	1	Bahia 1983 missing
Riessen, Marty		6	10	-4	Newport 1968, Perth 1969, Tucson 1970, London 1970 missing
Roche, Tony		9	12	-3	Tucson 1969, Hollywood 1969, Oakland 1969 added
Rosewall, Ken		27	32	-5	Chicago 1969, Corpus Christi 1970, Eastbourne 1970, Welsh Open 1970,
						Johannesburg 1971,Tokyo 1972 added. Bristol 1969 missing
Ruffels, Ray		1	2	-1	Merion 1970 added
Santana, Manuel		4	1	3	Philadelphia 1968, Bastad 1969, Kitzbuhel 1969 missing
Scanlon, Bill		6	7	-1	WCT Inv. Salisbury 1981 added
Schwaier, Hans		0	1	-1	Munich 1985 added - Error (Lost final)
Skoff, Horst		4	0	4	Forgotten (Vienna 1988, Athens 1988, Geneva 1990, Bastad 1993 missing)
Smith, Stan		36	39	-3	Hampton 1970, Nottingham 1970, Kent 1971 added
Stefanki, Larry		1	2	-1	Lagos 1981 added
Stolle, Fred		3	4	-1	Beckenham 1968 added
Tabara, Michal		1	0	1	Forgotten/not retired (Chennai 2001 missing)
Tanner, Roscoe		16	15	1	Rancho Mirage 1979 missing
Taylor, Roger		6	7	-1	Midland 1970 added
Tiriac, Ion		0	2	-2	Munich 1970, Madrid 1971 added
Waltke, Trey		1	0	1	Forgotten/Montgomery 1979 missing
Warwick, Kim		3	2	1	Adelaide 1979 missing
Winitsky, Van		3	2	1	Guaraja 1982 missing (Challenger event...)
Zednik, Vladimir	1	2	-1	Cleveland 1972 added. Error (won by M. Cox)

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I have the media guide. Ya know because i work in the sporting industry unlike anyone in this thread. I was given it for a grand total of zilch.
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They have problems with current players, very glaring examples. I submitted this on their "contact us" page about 3 weeks ago:
I was looking at player stats and noticed something strange. On Radek Stepanek's Profile page, it says he has 4 titles. Under the tab "Titles/Finals" the 4 are listed (all on hard courts). But if you go to the "Match Record" tab, it says he has 5 titles -- 4 on HC and 1 on clay.

The same thing for Viktor Troicki; Moscow 2010 was reported as his first ATP title, but under 'Match Record' he has one HC and one clay title.

The same thing for Ivan Ljubicic. Again, a phantom clay title. Robin Soderling also has an extra clay title. It would take forever to go through all the players, so I hope this is enough examples; is there an explanation for this or is it an error?
Thanks.
I still haven't heard back from anyone (another time when I used that contact form to query an error I did get a response). It has to be a database bug of some sorts, attributing an extra clay title to some players.
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I have the media guide. Ya know because i work in the sporting industry unlike anyone in this thread. I was given it for a grand total of zilch.
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They have problems with current players, very glaring examples. I submitted this on their "contact us" page about 3 weeks ago:
I was looking at player stats and noticed something strange. On Radek Stepanek's Profile page, it says he has 4 titles. Under the tab "Titles/Finals" the 4 are listed (all on hard courts). But if you go to the "Match Record" tab, it says he has 5 titles -- 4 on HC and 1 on clay.

The same thing for Viktor Troicki; Moscow 2010 was reported as his first ATP title, but under 'Match Record' he has one HC and one clay title.

The same thing for Ivan Ljubicic. Again, a phantom clay title. Robin Soderling also has an extra clay title. It would take forever to go through all the players, so I hope this is enough examples; is there an explanation for this or is it an error?
Thanks.
I still haven't heard back from anyone (another time when I used that contact form to query an error I did get a response). It has to be a database bug of some sorts, attributing an extra clay title to some players.
For Troicki, Ljubicic and Soderling they made mistake by counting WTC

Same for the Radek, computer see 4 wins without lost and gives him title (he beats Rios in that 2003 final but they actually lost the final in doubles match)
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Only the tournament of Dusseldorf 1970 won by Wilhelm Bungert is in the ATP Archive but don't appear in Media Guide
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