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11-05-2012, 09:58 AM
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Re: The dilemma of being too good for challengers and not good enough at the ATP leve
In the interest of fairness let's also look at his best Slam results:
US Open - 2008 Second Round
French Open First Round - numerous times
Wimbledon - 2010 Quarter-final
Aussie Open - Third Round 2009, 2012
For a 29 year old that record hardly blows you away does it?
What about ATP tour finals? Oh wait, he's never been in a final.
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11-05-2012, 10:02 AM
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Re: The dilemma of being too good for challengers and not good enough at the ATP leve
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This season Lu's been kinda like "too good for Challengers but not good enough for the ATP level", but at other times he's been ATP standard.
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Funnily enough I'm basing my comments on this season's results.
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11-05-2012, 10:07 AM
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Re: The dilemma of being too good for challengers and not good enough at the ATP leve
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None of those guys have won ATP matches? Are you sure? Seem to remember Lorenzi beating Paire the other week. 
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The fact you think a guy who has made a GS quarter final and 3rd round of another Slam twice isn't good enough to be playing at ATP level. Interest of fairness Lorenzi never had those results at Slams.
You're trying to make into a Lu fan aren't you? So Ito, Soeda, Lorenzi, Hajek, Ramirez Hidalgo, Prodon can match Lu's achievements at tour level. Lets see Lu has won 12-18 at tour level this year, that's more matches than the others even in a season where has hid playing poor events in Asia.
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I definitely would have preferred Gaba winning as he needs the points much more, but Jan would have beaten him anyway. I expect Hajek to destroy Machado, like 6-1 6-2.
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Machado wins 6-2 6-1
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11-05-2012, 10:19 AM
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Re: The dilemma of being too good for challengers and not good enough at the ATP leve
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The fact you think a guy who has made a GS quarter final and 3rd round of another Slam twice isn't good enough to be playing at ATP level. Interest of fairness Lorenzi never had those results at Slams.
You're trying to make into a Lu fan aren't you? So Ito, Soeda, Lorenzi, Hajek, Ramirez Hidalgo, Prodon can match Lu's achievements at tour level. Lets see Lu has won 12-18 at tour level this year, that's more matches than the others even in a season where has hid playing poor events in Asia.
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I have a question for you, is Brian Baker better than Lu in your opinion? |
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11-05-2012, 12:15 PM
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Re: The dilemma of being too good for challengers and not good enough at the ATP leve
Well done on proving Lu can't compete on the ATP.
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“ On Nadal bumping him on the changeover, Rosol said: "It's ok, he wanted to take my concentration; I knew he would try something".
Wilander on Dimitrov - "He has mind set on imitating Federer and yes it looks good. But he has no idea what to do on the court".
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I definitely would have preferred Gaba winning as he needs the points much more, but Jan would have beaten him anyway. I expect Hajek to destroy Machado, like 6-1 6-2.
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Machado wins 6-2 6-1
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11-05-2012, 12:20 PM
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Re: The dilemma of being too good for challengers and not good enough at the ATP leve
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Well done on proving Lu can't compete on the ATP.
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Thanks.
Always good making smug, arrogant idiots look stupid.
Till the next time. |
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11-05-2012, 12:26 PM
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Re: The dilemma of being too good for challengers and not good enough at the ATP leve
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Thanks.
Always good making smug, arrogant idiots look stupid.
Till the next time.
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 It's true that the poster you are arguing with is arguably the worst on these boards, but it's not like you're too far behind either so you can't exactly take the high ground.
This is a 'duel' truly worthy of an ACC final. |
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11-05-2012, 03:00 PM
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Re: The dilemma of being too good for challengers and not good enough at the ATP leve
Lu is an ATP player. This season alone he's beaten Ferrer, Nieminen, Tipsarevic, Benneteau, Falla, Kubot. He's beaten Andy Murray at the Olympics, Andy Roddick in Wimbledon, David Nalbandian. So obviously he's an ATP player. He's also wildly inconsistent, a mental midget and mostly bad on slower courts. He plays the system and stays in Asia because he knows he can feast off of weak players in Asian events, but that doesn't mean he can't hang at the ATP level.
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11-05-2012, 03:32 PM
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Re: The dilemma of being too good for challengers and not good enough at the ATP leve
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Horrible examples.
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Gotta love your argumentation 
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11-05-2012, 03:45 PM
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Re: The dilemma of being too good for challengers and not good enough at the ATP leve
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Which challengers have Rosol and Hajek won recently? |
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11-05-2012, 03:52 PM
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Re: The dilemma of being too good for challengers and not good enough at the ATP leve
I can't remember of a better example than Machado in 2011.
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11-05-2012, 04:30 PM
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Re: The dilemma of being too good for challengers and not good enough at the ATP leve
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In the interest of fairness let's also look at his best Slam results:
US Open - 2008 Second Round
French Open First Round - numerous times
Wimbledon - 2010 Quarter-final
Aussie Open - Third Round 2009, 2012
For a 29 year old that record hardly blows you away does it?
What about ATP tour finals? Oh wait, he's never been in a final.
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Pretty sure any player who reaches a GS QF is good enough for ATP level. Lu has wins over Murray and Roddick. He's a bad example for this thread.
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11-05-2012, 06:10 PM
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Re: The dilemma of being too good for challengers and not good enough at the ATP leve
I also disagree rating Lu not an ATP player. He maybe isn't right now, but he's been one for some time.
Players i personally rate Too good for CH and not enough for ATP are - Darcis, Zemlja and Soeda.
The rest either have been ATP in the past (Muller, Hanescu, Ben.Becker etc.) or not too good for CH yet - Ito, Kuznetsov, Zopp.
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11-05-2012, 06:18 PM
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Re: The dilemma of being too good for challengers and not good enough at the ATP leve
What constitutes an ATP player? A player who consistently plays ATP tournaments without achieving any kind of results?
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11-05-2012, 06:27 PM
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Re: The dilemma of being too good for challengers and not good enough at the ATP leve
Having had the quickest of looks through the live rankings, I think I see 3 players above Lu in the rankings who have never played in an ATP final. Goffin (21), Tomic (20) and Soeda (28). There is a pretty good chance that both Goffin and Tomic will eventually reach a final so that makes it one player out of 62 that Lu is behind in career terms.
I'm sure I could list all the players who are behind him in the rankings who have made ATP finals, but I hope you get the point by now.
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