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Old 11-30-2011, 12:08 PM   #226
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Records are meant to be broken.. Its an Old Adage you see, you would know better than that.
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haha, the other equally old adage is that there's an exception to every rule

As long as the World wont get destroyed, most records will be broken
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Old 11-30-2011, 05:03 PM   #228
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The wasy I would answer this question is from the perspective of what kind of influence a long running Number 1 has on subsequent generations. IF you take Borg for instance.. we saw not just other Swedes playing tennis but Borg clones(WIlander) everywhere to a certain degree... Top spin became the norm, so will we see one handed backhands coming back? Im not so sure.. the 2 hander seems to be the direction coaches are going with even with Federer at the top of the game for the better part of almost a decade.
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I actually saw Muster playing live at his peak and no, I don't think he would have beaten Rafa often, Guga had great clay game but his one hander would have been pounded mercilessly by Rafa (the match-up issue that Roger has with him), Rosewall? mmm hard to say, Wilander? don't make me laugh, even Courier was better than him on clay and neither one could hold a candle to Rafa.

Vilas might sneak some wins like he did against Borg but I don't think he would have been able to withstand the power of Rafa

There's a reason why Borg and Nadal stay alone at the top of the clay game, no one comes close to them and actually forcing them to tough matches with a match-up disadvantage is a sign of greatness.
They stand along because of their french open and clay achievements.. But to say there aren't guys in history who could trouble them and maybe take a few french open titles from them.. then I dunno. Whooping on Fed for 20 years at the French Open isn't the same as whooping on the clay court elite in history.
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They stand along because of their french open and clay achievements.. But to say there aren't guys in history who could trouble them and maybe take a few french open titles from them.. then I dunno. Whooping on Fed for 20 years at the French Open isn't the same as whooping on the clay court elite in history.
Not a lot of guys more elite than Federer on clay. I cannot think of too many better guys going back to the edge of my memories in the early 70s. And back then the game was very different.

Federer does everything you want in a claycourt player at an elite level. He's an accurate server, hits great spin and angle, has an excellent short slice and dropshot. He moves very well on clay and has extremely good endurance. He is certainly a better clay court player than Gaudio, Ferrero, A. Costa, Agassi, Moya, Kafelnikov, Muster, Bruguera, Courier, Gomez, Chang, Wilander, Lendl, Noah, Vilas, Panatta. And all those guys won the French Open, some of them multiple times. The three guys who might have been better are Kuerten, Nadal, and Borg. Well Nadal is clearly better.
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Not a lot of guys more elite than Federer on clay. I cannot think of too many better guys going back to the edge of my memories in the early 70s. And back then the game was very different.

Federer does everything you want in a claycourt player at an elite level. He's an accurate server, hits great spin and angle, has an excellent short slice and dropshot. He moves very well on clay and has extremely good endurance. He is certainly a better clay court player than Gaudio, Ferrero, A. Costa, Agassi, Moya, Kafelnikov, Muster, Bruguera, Courier, Gomez, Chang, Wilander, Lendl, Noah, Vilas, Panatta. And all those guys won the French Open, some of them multiple times. The three guys who might have been better are Kuerten, Nadal, and Borg. Well Nadal is clearly better.
Fed better on clay now then Lendl, Vilas, Wilander, Bruguera, Courier?






Im sorry... But no. Just...... no
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Fed better on clay now then Lendl, Vilas, Wilander, Bruguera, Courier?






Im sorry... But no. Just...... no
Bruguera & Courier, probably, yes. The others, no.
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Hard to say, but I know one thing:

Federer won't be considered as the GOAT until he brings his ass to Umag, where claycourt tennis of the highest quality is played and takes the title. He clearly is scared of the field here.

Until then he's just an ordinary tennis player.
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Fed better on clay now then Lendl, Vilas, Wilander, Bruguera, Courier?






Im sorry... But no. Just...... no
Lendl won 3 FO in 5 finals. It was a transitional era when racquet technology and game play were being revolutionized and there were no dominant clay court players. McEnroe's game should not have been good enough to get to the FO final, as great a player as he was.

Vilas won one FO in 4 finals over Brian Gottfried. A very good but not great player.

Wilander won 3 FO in 5 finals, including a loss to Yanick Noah. Same story as Lendl.

Bruguera won 2 FO in 3 finals and won 4 major clay titles total in his whole career. Dude, WTF is wrong with you?

Courier also won 2 FO in 3 finals and 4 major clay titles total in his whole career.

Federer has won 1 FO in 5 finals, losing to the best clay courter of all time 5 times! Since before he won his first GS, Federer has only lost to 3 times FO champion Kuerten, 6 times FO champion Nadal, and the only player to beat Nadal at RG, Soderling. If it weren't for Nadal, Federer could have been tied with Borg for most FO titles with 6. Federer is clearly a superior tennis player to all of the champions mentioned previously. His career record and all-court prowess is definitive proof. That he does not have more triumphs at Roland Garros does not diminish his status as a legendary clay court player, rather it elevates Nadal as an even greater champion on the surface.
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Federer has won 1 FO in 5 finals, losing to the best clay courter of all time 5 times! Since before he won his first GS, Federer has only lost to 3 times FO champion Kuerten, 6 times FO champion Nadal, and the only player to beat Nadal at RG, Soderling. If it weren't for Nadal, Federer could have been tied with Borg for most FO titles with 6. Federer is clearly a superior tennis player to all of the champions mentioned previously. His career record and all-court prowess is definitive proof. That he does not have more triumphs at Roland Garros does not diminish his status as a legendary clay court player, rather it elevates Nadal as an even greater champion on the surface.
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Hard to say, but I know one thing:

Federer won't be considered as the GOAT until he brings his ass to Umag, where claycourt tennis of the highest quality is played and takes the title. He clearly is scared of the field here.

Until then he's just an ordinary tennis player.
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The surname Federer isn't that uncommon, nor is the first name Roger.

I say almost certainly. Probably quite a few in fact.
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Just as there is no new Michael Jordan, there will never be another Roger Federer.
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Just as there is no new Michael Jordan, there will never be another Roger Federer.
Fed is No MJ please.. MJ had no equal and destroyed EVERYONE who came in his path ( especially his top rivals) on every big stage. . Fed hasn't done that
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Fed is No MJ please.. MJ had no equal and destroyed EVERYONE who came in his path ( especially his top rivals) on every big stage. . Fed hasn't done that
MJ was clearly the greatest player of his era like Federer is, and he had a lot of problems in overcoming Bird's Celtics and Magic's Lakers to claim an NBA title. In fact, he toiled away for 7 or 8 years until he got one, by which point he was in his late 20's.
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