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Old 03-25-2011, 01:55 AM   #166
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Il est espagnol. Quelle surprise...
What a stupid comment, just as bad as the one about the 'savage island'.

Anyway, as a Spaniard there's one thing I do know: that the democracies (meaning mostly France and Britain back then) were cowardly enough to deny any help to the Spanish Republic... while allowing Hitler and Mussolini to send as much help as they desired to Franco's side. Only three years later, it was them who were against the wall fighting fascism, but Spain was left to endure a dictatorship for another 35 years.

Evil is not in the possibility of military intervention, but on the real purpose behind it. On this case, Sarkozy may have acted well (helping democrats).. for all the wrong reasons (beefing up France's role on the global scene, trying to make Arabs forget/forgive France for it's many mistakes in Tunisia and elsewhere). It won't be the first nor the last time in human history where a huge mistake has been done for the best of reasons, or a noble thing for the most innoble ones.

The important thing here is that the wave of popular movements that is affecting so many countries in the Arab world couldn't be simply ignored by those countries who are cosntantly paying lip-service to democracy. The West has made too many mistakes already in it's relation with the Muslim world to afford one more, far less such a huge mistake as this one would have been.

Quite another issue is whether the situation in Libya will end up playing out well, both for Libyans and for the world at large. A no-fly zone does not a democracy make, meaning that all the really important scenes of this play are still in the future. But here I would suggest that the unforgivable part of the weakness shown by the democracies in the 1930s was not so much that they failed in saving democracy in Spain, but that they didn't even try.

People standing up for change in the Arab world must know we are on their side, even if it means (likely) that some of those countries will end up ruled by Islamist regimes, freely elected by popular vote.

It would be intolerable if they ended up thinking that the West can act as irresponsibly and cynically as Bush and his bunch of neocon hyenas did in Iraq, yet would stand by idly when Arab peoples are actually standing up for change.
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Old 03-25-2011, 04:18 AM   #167
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Why the focus on Lybia of all countries with dictators?
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Old 03-25-2011, 04:58 AM   #168
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What a stupid comment, just as bad as the one about the 'savage island'.

Anyway, as a Spaniard there's one thing I do know: that the democracies (meaning mostly France and Britain back then) were cowardly enough to deny any help to the Spanish Republic... while allowing Hitler and Mussolini to send as much help as they desired to Franco's side. Only three years later, it was them who were against the wall fighting fascism, but Spain was left to endure a dictatorship for another 35 years.

Evil is not in the possibility of military intervention, but on the real purpose behind it. On this case, Sarkozy may have acted well (helping democrats).. for all the wrong reasons (beefing up France's role on the global scene, trying to make Arabs forget/forgive France for it's many mistakes in Tunisia and elsewhere). It won't be the first nor the last time in human history where a huge mistake has been done for the best of reasons, or a noble thing for the most innoble ones.

The important thing here is that the wave of popular movements that is affecting so many countries in the Arab world couldn't be simply ignored by those countries who are cosntantly paying lip-service to democracy. The West has made too many mistakes already in it's relation with the Muslim world to afford one more, far less such a huge mistake as this one would have been.

Quite another issue is whether the situation in Libya will end up playing out well, both for Libyans and for the world at large. A no-fly zone does not a democracy make, meaning that all the really important scenes of this play are still in the future. But here I would suggest that the unforgivable part of the weakness shown by the democracies in the 1930s was not so much that they failed in saving democracy in Spain, but that they didn't even try.

People standing up for change in the Arab world must know we are on their side, even if it means (likely) that some of those countries will end up ruled by Islamist regimes, freely elected by popular vote.

It would be intolerable if they ended up thinking that the West can act as irresponsibly and cynically as Bush and his bunch of neocon hyenas did in Iraq, yet would stand by idly when Arab peoples are actually standing up for change.
Stupid is to try and justify an imperialistic invasion on such weak grounds.

First things first, this revolt against Khadafi has nothing to do with democracy. The "protesters" are actually paid by the west.
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Stupid is to try and justify an imperialistic invasion on such weak grounds.

First things first, this revolt against Khadafi has nothing to do with democracy. The "protesters" are actually paid by the west.
That's very interesting. Please tell us more about this western conspiracy.

How are they being paid? Who is paying them? How did this come to your attention? Why does the west want to invade Libya? Are the protesters in other arab countries also being paid by the west?
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Conspiracy?

It's the truth.

First thing these "democrats" do is to hoist the flag of the old monarchy, completely subordinated to western interests.
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Conspiracy?

It's the truth.


First thing these "democrats" do is to hoist the flag of the old monarchy, completely subordinated to western interests.
The former doesn't exclude the latter.
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The former doesn't exclude the latter.
Sorry but your term implied a derogatory tone.
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you really think savages from your barren island are more intelligent?
yes.

and more intelligent than you, any random rainforest monkey.
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What, Franquista?
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The "protesters" are actually paid by the west.
your comments get more :retard: by the day.
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What, Franquista?
I don't think you'll get it, Stalinista wannabe
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your comments get more :retard: by the day.
I wish I could say the same about yours but there's no way they could get any more :retard:.



Unbelievable how easily manipulated you all are. The Mujahideen, Contras, UNITA... I guess they also weren't supported by the west.
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I don't think you'll get it, Stalinista wannabe


That doesn't say a word to me. Try again. Check out that notebook you kept with Franco's speeches. Maybe you'll find a better term.
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