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Old 02-05-2010, 08:37 AM   #1
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Default Losing against the eventual slam winner- An Open Era overview

Since the Open Era began in 1968, tennis has seen its fair share of champions.
This thread is dedicated to all the players who lost against the players who went on to win a grand slam. From Richard Coulthard, who lost the R32 of the '68 Australian Open to Roger Federer, losing finalist at Wimbledon 2014, no less than 543 different players have been beaten by the eventual champ.

Here's a list with the players who fell to the eventual winner most often:

Code:
Name                   Total     F   SF   QF  R16   R32   R64   R128
 
Ivan Lendl              23       11   5   4    3     0     0      0
Novak Djokovic          16       7    5   2    1     0     0      1
Jimmy Connors           15       7    7   1    0     0     0      0
Roger Federer           13       8    5   0    0     0     0      0
Lleyton Hewitt          13       2    2   2    6     1     0      0
Andre Agassi            12       7    2   2    1     0     0      0
Stefan Edberg           11       5    3   2    0     0     1      0
John McEnroe            11       4    5   2    0     0     0      0
Michael Chang           11       3    2   2    3     1     0      0
Andy Murray             10       5    4   1    0     0     0      0
Pete Sampras            10       4    3   2    0     0     1      0
Andy Roddick            10       4    2   3    0     1     0      0
Tim Henman              10       0    5   0    0     1     3      1
Tony Roche              9        4    3   1    1     0     0      0
Juan Carlos Ferrero     9        2    3   1    3     0     0      0
Todd Martin             9        2    3   2    2     0     0      0
Stan Smith              9        1    0   2    5     0     1      0
Jonas Bj÷rkman          9        0    1   3    1     0     2      2
Guillermo Vilas         8        4    3   1    0     0     0      0
Boris Becker            8        4    1   2    0     0     1      0
Jim Courier             8        3    3   1    0     1     0      0
Thomas Muster           8        0    3   1    1     2     1      0
Tommy Haas              8        0    2   0    5     1     0      0
Paul McNamee            8        0    1   1    2     2     1      1
Rafael Nadal            7        6    1   0    0     0     0      0 
Bjorn Borg              7        5    0   2    0     0     0      0
Ken Rosewall            7        3    4   0    0     0     0      0
Goran Ivanisevic        7        3    2   1    1     0     0      0
Ilie Nastase            7        3    0   2    1     0     1      0
Vitas Gerulaitis        7        2    3   1    1     0     0      0
Mark Philippoussis      7        2    0   2    2     1     0      0
David Ferrer            7        1    2   4    0     0     0      0
Andrei Medvedev         7        1    1   1    3     0     0      1
Mats Wilander           6        4    1   1    0     0     0      0
Jan Kodes               6        2    1   2    1     0     0      0
Robin Soderling         6        2    0   2    1     0     0      1
Tom Okker               6        1    4   1    0     0     0      0
Tomas Berdych           6        1    2   2    1     0     0      0 
Henri Leconce           6        1    1   3    0     0     0      1
Greg Rusedski           6        1    0   0    2     2     0      1
Nikolay Davydenko       6        0    2   2    0     1     1      0
Mikhail Youzhny         6        0    1   1    3     1     0      0
Sebastian Grosjean      6        0    1   1    2     1     0      1
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Default Re: Losing against the eventual slam winner- An Open Era overview

Now, here are similar lists, but specified per slam.

Losing to the Australian Open champ:

Code:
Name                   Total     F   SF   QF   R16   R32   R64  R128

Stefan Edberg            5       3    1    1    0     0     0     0
Lleyton Hewitt           5       1    0    0    4     0     0     0
Andy Murray              4       3    1    0    0     0     0     0
Ivan Lendl               4       2    1    0    1     0     0     0
Roger Federer            4       1    3    0    0     0     0     0
Phil Dent                4       1    0    2    0     1     0     0
Yevgeny Kafelnikov       4       1    0    2    0     0     1     0   
Tony Roche               4       0    2    1    1     0     0     0
Jonas Bj÷rkman           4       0    0    2    0     0     1     1
Losing to the Roland Garros champ:

Code:
Name                   Total     F   SF   QF   R16   R32   R64  R128

Novak Djokovic           6       2    3    1    0     0     0     0
Andrei Medvedev          6       1    1    1    3     0     0     0  
Roger Federer            5       4    1    0    0     0     0     0
Ivan Lendl               5       2    0    1    2     0     0     0
Andre Agassi             4       2    2    0    0     0     0     0
Robin Soderling          4       2    0    1    0     0     0     1
Harold Solomon           4       1    2    1    0     0     0     0
David Ferrer             4       1    1    2    0     0     0     0
Zeljko Franulovic        4       1    1    0    1     0     0     1
Yevgeny Kafelnikov       4       0    1    3    0     0     0     0
Andre Gomez              4       0    0    3    0     0     1     0
Stan Smith               4       0    0    1    3     0     0     0
Ronald Agenor            4       0    0    1    1     1     0     1
Losing to the Wimbledon champ:

Code:
Name                   Total     F   SF   QF   R16   R32   R64  R128

Boris Becker             7       4    1    2    0     0     0     0 
Jimmy Connors            6       4    2    0    0     0     0     0  
Tim Henman               6       0    4    0    0     0     2     0
Andy Roddick             5       3    1    0    0     1     0     0
Ivan Lendl               5       2    3    0    0     0     0     0
Goran Ivanisevic         4       3    1    0    0     0     0     0
Stan Smith               4       1    0    0    2     0     1     0
Mikhail Youzhny          4       0    0    1    3     0     0     0
Paul McNamee             4       0    0    0    1     1     1     1
Losing to the US Open champ:

Code:
Name                   Total     F   SF   QF   R16   R32   R64  R128

Ivan Lendl               9       5    1    3    0     0     0     0    
Jimmy Connors            8       2    5    1    0     0     0     0
Andre Agassi             6       3    0    1    1     0     0     0
Michael Chang            6       1    2    1    2     0     0     0
Novak Djokovic           5       4    1    0    0     0     0     0
Bjorn Borg               4       4    0    0    0     0     0     0
Pete Sampras             4       3    1    0    0     0     0     0
Jan Kodes                4       2    0    1    1     0     0     0
John McEnroe             4       1    2    1    0     0     0     0
Todd Martin              4       1    2    0    1     0     0     0  
Andy Roddick             4       1    0    3    0     0     0     0
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Default Re: Losing against the eventual slam winner- An Open Era overview

Similar, but per decade:

Losing to the eventual champ in the 10's

Code:
Name                   Total     F   SF   QF   R16   R32   R64  R128

Novak Djokovic           9       6    2    1    0     0     0     0
Andy Murray              8       4    4    0    0     0     0     0
Tomas Berdych            5       1    2    2    0     0     0     0
David Ferrer             5       1    2    2    0     0     0     0
Rafael Nadal             4       4    0    0    0     0     0     0
Roger Federer            4       2    2    0    0     0     0     0
Robin Soderling          3       1    0    2    0     0     0     0
Jo-Wilfried Tsonga       3       0    2    0    1     0     0     0
Mikhail Youzhny          3       0    1    1    1     0     0     0
Nicolas Almagro          3       0    0    2    1     0     0     0
Tommy Robredo            3       0    0    1    1     1     0     0
Lleyton Hewitt           3       0    0    0    2     1     0     0
Ivan Dodig               3       0    0    0    0     1     2     0
Losing to the eventual champ in the 00's

Code:
Name                   Total     F   SF   QF   R16   R32   R64  R128


Andy Roddick            10       4    2    3    0     1     0     0 
Lleyton Hewiit          10       2    2    2    4     0     0     0 
Roger Federer            9       6    3    0    0     0     0     0 
Juan Carlos Ferrero      9       2    3    1    3     0     0     0
Novak Djokovic           7       1    3    1    1     0     0     1
Tim Henman               7       0    3    0    0     1     2     1
Tommy Haas               7       0    1    0    5     1     0     0
David Nalbandian         5       1    2    2    0     0     0     0
Sjeng Schalken           5       0    1    3    0     0     1     0
Nicolas Kiefer           5       0    1    1    1     2     0     0
Jonas Bj÷rkman           5       0    1    1    1     0     1     1
Losing to the eventual champ in the 90's

Code:
Name                   Total     F   SF   QF   R16   R32   R64  R128

Michael Chang           10       3    2    2    3     0     0     0
Andre Agassi             8       5    1    1    1     0     0     0
Jim Courier              8       3    3    1    0     1     0     0
Goran Ivanisevic         7       3    2    1    1     0     0     0
Todd Martin              7       2    2    1    2     0     0     0
Andrei Medvedev          7       1    1    1    3     0     0     1
Thomas Muster            7       0    2    1    1     2     1     0
Boris Becker             6       3    1    2    0     0     0     0
Pete Sampras             6       2    2    2    0     0     0     0
Ivan Lendl               6       1    2    2    1     0     0     0
Yevgeny Kafelnikov       6       0    2    3    0     0     1     0

Losing to the eventual champ in the 80's

Code:
Name                   Total     F   SF   QF   R16   R32   R64  R128

Ivan Lendl               17     10    3    2    2     0     0     0     
John McEnroe              8      4    2    2    0     0     0     0
Paul McNamee              8      0    1    1    2     2     1     1
Miroslav Mecir            7      2    2    2    0     1     0     0
Mats Wilander             6      4    1    1    0     0     0     0
Stefan Edberg             6      2    2    1    0     0     1     0
Jimmy Connors             6      1    5    0    0     0     0     0
Henri Leconte             5      1    1    3    0     0     0     0
Anders Jarryd             5      0    1    1    2     0     0     1
Losing to the eventual champ in the 70's

Code:
Name                   Total     F   SF   QF   R16   R32   R64  R128

Jimmy Connors            9       6    2    1    0     0     0     0
Ken Rosewall             7       3    4    0    0     0     0     0
Guillermo Vilas          6       3    2    1    0     0     0     0
Ilie Nastase             6       3    0    2    0     0     1     0 
Jan Kodes                6       2    1    2    1     0     0     0
Tony Roche               5       1    2    1    1     0     0     0
Alex Metreveli           5       1    1    2    1     0     0     0
Stan Smith               5       1    0    2    2     0     0     0
Phil Dent                5       1    0    2    0     1     1     0
Losing to the eventual champ in the 60's

Code:
Name                   Total     F   SF   QF   R16   R32   R64  R128

Tony Roche               4       3    1    0    0     0     0     0  
Andres Gimeno            3       1    1    1    0     0     0     0
Arthur Ashe              3       0    3    0    0     0     0     0 
Roy Emerson              3       0    0    1    2     0     0     0
Stan Smith               3       0    0    0    2     0     1     0
Tom Okker                2       1    1    0    0     0     0     0
Cliff Drysdale           2       0    0    2    0     0     0     0
Dennis Ralston           2       0    0    1    1     0     0     0
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Similar, but now per round in which the player lost the eventual winner.

Losing against the eventual slam winner in the final.

Code:
Ivan Lendl       11
Roger Federer     8
Jimmy Connors     7
Andre Agassi      7
Novak Djokovic    7
Rafael Nadal      6
Stefan Edberg     5
Bjorn Borg        5
Andy Murray       5
John McEnroe      4
Andy Roddick      4
Pete Sampras      4
Tony Roche        4
Boris Becker      4
Guilermo Vilas    4
Mats Wilander     4
Losing against the eventual slam winner in the semifinal.

Code:
Jimmy Connors     7
Ivan Lendl        5
John McEnroe      5
Tim Henman        5
Roger Federer     5
Novak Djokovic    5
Ken Rosewall      4
Tom Okker         4
Andy Murray       4
12 players        3
Losing against the eventual slam winner in the quarterfinal.

Code:
Yevgeny Kafelnikov  5
Ivan Lendl          4
David Ferrer        4
Andy Roddick        3
Henri Leconte       3
Jonas Bj÷rkman      3
Sjeng Schalken      3
Roy Emerson         3
Andre Gomes         3
Gene Mayer          3
Nicolas Almagro     3
Marin Cilic         3
Losing against the eventual slam winner in the R16.

Code:
Lleyton Hewitt      6
Stan Smith          5
Tommy Haas          5
Ivan Lendl          3
Michael Chang       3
Juan Carlos Ferrero 3
Andrei Medvedev     3
Francois Jauffret   3
Feliciano Lopez     3
Mikhail Youzhny     3
Losing against the eventual slam winner in the R32.

Code:
Magnus Larsson      3
Pat Dupre           3
20 players          2
Losing against the eventual slam winner in the R64.

Code:
Tim Henman          3
Tim Gullikson       3
Derrick Rostagno    2
Thomas Johansson    2
Jakob Hlasek        2
Jonas Bj÷rkman      2
Jiri Novak          2
Richey Reneberg     2
Jaime Pinto-Bravo   2
Cassio Motta        2
Dennis Istomin      2
Ivan Dodig          2
Alejandro Falla     2
Losing against the eventual slam winner in the R128.

Code:
Bob Hewitt          3
Tim Gullikson       2
Jonas Bj÷rkman      2
Richard Gasquet     2
Albert Portas       2
Jiri Vanek          2
Bryan Shelton       2
Dan Goldie          2
Jeff Borowiak       2
Teimuraz Gabashvili 2
Alex Bogomolov jr.  2
Paul-Henri Mathieu  2
Benjamin Becker     2
Andrei Golubev      2
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Similar, but now for the players who have lost most often to legends en route to their slam wins.
For legends, I've taken anyone with 8 or more slam wins.

Losing against Federer

Code:
Name                   Total     F   SF   QF   R16   R32   R64  R128
 
Andy Roddick             7       4    2    1    0     0     0     0
Lleyton Hewitt           6       1    2    1    2     0     0     0
Novak Djokovic           4       1    2    0    1     0     0     0
Nikolay Davydenko        4       0    2    2    0     0     0     0
Tommy Haas               4       0    1    0    3     0     0     0
Andy Murray              3       3    0    0    0     0     0     0
Juan Carlos Ferrero      3       0    1    1    1     0     0     0
Nicolas Kiefer           3       0    1    0    1     1     0     0
Tim Henman               3       0    1    0    0     0     2     0
Losing aginst Sampras

Code:
Name                   Total     F   SF   QF   R16   R32   R64  R128
 
Andre Agassi             5       4    0    1    0     0     0     0
Goran Ivanisevic         4       2    2    0    0     0     0     0
Mark Philippoussis       4       0    0    2    1     1     0     0
Michael Chang            3       1    0    2    0     0     0     0
Jim Courier              3       1    2    0    0     0     0     0
Boris Becker             3       1    1    1    0     0     0     0
Todd Martin              3       1    1    0    1     0     0     0
Tim Henman               3       0    2    0    0     0     1     0
Byron Black              3       0    0    1    0     2     0     0
Losing against Nadal

Code:
Name                   Total     F   SF   QF   R16   R32   R64  R128

Novak Djokovic           8       4    3    1    0     0     0     0
Roger Federer            7       6    1    0    0     0     0     0
Robin Soderling          4       1    0    2    0     0     0     0
Andy Murray              4       0    3    1    0     0     0     0
David Ferrer             3       1    0    2    0     0     0     0
Fernando Verdasco        3       0    1    1    1     0     0     0
Nicolas Almagro          3       0    0    3    0     0     0     0
Lleyton Hewitt           3       0    0    0    2     1     0     0
Mikhail Youzhny          2       0    1    0    1     0     0     0 
Ivan Ljubicic            2       0    1    0    1     0     0     0
Richard Gasquet          2       0    1    0    1     0     0     0

5 more with 2

Losing aginst Borg

Code:
Name                   Total     F   SF   QF   R16   R32   R64  R128
 
Jimmy Connors            3       2    1    0    0     0     0     0
Guillermo Vilas          3       2    0    1    0     0     0     0
Vitas Gerulaitis         3       1    2    0    0     0     0     0
Roscoe Tanner            3       1    1    0    1     0     0     0
Harold Solomon           3       0    2    1    0     0     0     0
Balasz Taroczy           3       0    0    1    2     0     0     0
Victor Pecci             2       1    1    0    0     0     0     0
Ilie Nastase             2       1    0    1    0     0     0     0
Tom Okker                2       0    1    1    0     0     0     0
Brian Gottfried          2       0    1    0    1     0     0     0
Raoul Ramirez            2       0    0    2    0     0     0     0
Jaim Fillol sr.          2       0    0    0    0     1     0     1



Losing against Agassi

Code:
Name                   Total     F   SF   QF   R16   R32   R64  R128
 
Yevgeny Kafelnikov       3       1    1    1    0     0     0     0
Todd Martin              3       1    1    1    0     0     0     0 
Arnaud Clement           3       1    0    0    1     0     1     0
Pete Sampras             2       1    1    0    0     0     0     0
Pat Rafter               2       0    1    0    1     0     0     0
Wayne Ferreira           2       0    1    0    0     1     0     0
Nicolas Escude           2       0    0    1    0     1     0     0
Losing against Lendl

Code:
Name                   Total     F   SF   QF   R16   R32   R64  R128
 
John McEnroe             4       2    0    2    0     0     0     0
Miroslav Mecir           3       2    1    0    0     0     0     0
Mats Wilander            3       2    1    0    0     0     0     0
Andre Gomez              3       0    0    3    0     0     0     0
Stefan Edberg            2       1    1    0    0     0     0     0
Yannick Noah             2       0    1    1    0     0     0     0
Jim Pugh                 2       0    0    0    0     1     0     1
Anders Jarryd            2       0    0    0    2     0     0     0
Jimmy Connors            2       0    2    0    0     0     0     0
Losing against Connors

Code:
Name                   Total     F   SF   QF   R16   R32   R64  R128
 
John Alexander           3       0    1    0    0     1     1     0
Jan Kodes                3       0    0    2    1     0     0     0
Ken Rosewall             2       2    0    0    0     0     0     0
Bjorn Borg               2       2    0    0    0     0     0     0
Ivan Lendl               2       2    0    0    0     0     0     0 
John McEnroe             2       1    1    0    0     0     0     0
Phil Dent                2       1    0    0    0     0     1     0
Guillermo Vilas          2       0    2    0    0     0     0     0
Adriano Panatta          2       0    0    0    1     1     0     0
Ove Nils Bengtson        2       0    0    0    0     0     1     1
Jeff Borowiak            2       0    0    0    0     0     0     2
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Here are some miscellaneous bits of data.

Players who have lost only in the final to an eventual slam winner:

Code:
Steve Denton         AO 1982 (Kriek)      AO 1983 (Kriek)
Martin Verkerk       RG 2003 (Ferrero)
MaliVai Washington   WM 1996 (Krajicek)
Alberto Berasetegui  RG 1994 (Bruguera)
Kim Warwick          AO 1980 (Teacher) 
John Marks           AO 1978 (Vilas)
Manuel Orantes       RG 1974 (Borg)
Onny Parun           AO 1973 (Newcombe)
Malcolm Anderson     AO 1972 (Rosewall)
Rod Laver            RG 1968 (Rosewall)
Juan Gisbert sr.     AO 1968 (Bowrey)
Most times lost to eventual winner without winning a slam:

Code:
Tim Henman         10
Tony Roche          9
Todd Martin         9
Jonas Bj÷rkman      9
Miroslav Mecir      8
Paul McNamee        8
Tommy Haas          8
Mark Philippoussis  7
Vitas Gerulaitis    7
Andrei Medvedev     7
David Ferrer        7
Greg Rusedski       6
Henri Leconte       6
Tom Okker           6
Sebastian Grosjean  6
Robin Soderling     6
Nikolay Davydenko   6
Mikhail Youzhny     6
Tomas Berdych       6
Thomas Enqvist      5
Phil Dent           5
Brian Gottfried     5
Alex Matreveli      5
David Nalbandian    5
Harold Solomon      5
Tim Gullikson       5
Raoul Ramirez       5
Anders Jarryd       5
Sjeng Schalken      5
Nicolas Kiefer      5
Roy Emerson         5
Paul-Henri Mathieu  5
Richard Gasquet     5
And here's a new bit of trivia, though this might actually be informative!

Most times either winning a slam, or losing to the eventual winner!


Code:
Name                W   L  Total

Ivan Lendl          8   23   31
Roger Federer       17  13   30
Pete Sampras        14  10   24
Jimmy Connors       8   15   23
Novak Djokovic      7   16   23
Rafael Nadal        14  7    21
Andre Agassi        8   12   20
Bjorn Borg          11  7    18
John McEnroe        7   11   18
Stefan Edberg       6   11   17
Lleyton Hewitt      2   13   15
Boris Becker        6   8    14
Mats Wilander       7   6    13
Guillermo Vilas     4   8    12
Jim Courier         4   8    12
Yevgeny Kafelnikov  2   10   12
Andy Murray         2   10   12
Michael Chang       1   11   12
Ken Rosewall        4   7    11 (open era only, remember)
Stan Smith          2   9    11
Andy Roddick        1   10   11
Juan Carlos Ferrero 1   9    10
Tim Henman          0   10   10
Jan Kodes           3   6    9
Ilie Nastase        2   7    9
Thomas Muster       1   8    9
Tony Roche          0   9    9
Todd Martin         0   9    9
Jonas Bjorkman      0   9    9
Slam winners who lost fewest times to an eventual winner:

Code:
Gaston Gaudio          0
Rod Laver              1 (only open era)
Manuel Orantes         1
Gustavo Kuerten        1
Sergi Bruguera         2
Brian Teacher          2
Stanislas Wawrinka     2
John Newcombe          3
Adrian Panatta         3
Pat Cash               3
Yannick Noah           3
Petr Korda             3
Richard Krajicek       3
Thomas Johansson       3
Juan Martin del Potro  3
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Old 02-05-2010, 02:22 PM   #7
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Poor Lendl...
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good work
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Poor Hewitt and Henman... So close on home turf, yet so far.

I'm not sure if I'd say poor Lendl. If anything this record is a positive for him - it's a testament to his consistency. When he didn't have enough to win it, he made sure he was at least beaten by the best man.
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great thread. unlucky this Henman, possibly the most underrated sportsman of all time. I know that sounds outlandish but someone not in touch with the english media can not possibly comprehend the extent to which he's regarded as the uber-loser.
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Thanks for this thread.


What could be interesting are similar statistics (mostly similar to the 4th post) but which ignore the defeats in the finals (as it would obviously be against the eventual winner ).

It could really give a hint at which players were underrated. A finalist is not necessarily better than the semi finalist beaten by the future winner.

But with a rapid look, I think Lendl would still be n░1
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Great work . Big thnx
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Great Post.
Poor Henman and Roddick
I would've thought Nadal would appear somewhere on these lists (at least in the one of the 00s), but I guess he always either won or didn't get to play play the final (against Federer, who was the champion in most cases), except a couple of times. Interesting
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A bit of trivia is that in all the 3 RG titles from Guga, Kafelnikov was beaten in the QF. And 2, i guess, he won against Ferrero in the SF (00/01)
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