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Old 02-13-2011, 07:11 PM   #31
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Roux said on L'Equipe the paper that the selection is likely to be Jo, Richard, Mika and Benny...
Hmmmm, I suppose that there aren't many suitable alternatives.

Beating the Austrian #2 is obviously vital, and both Jo and Richard should do that. Richard has to get back to full fitness first, though.

Benneteau is a logical choice to partner Llodra, but he seems to be struggling on his return from that wrist problem. The Austrian doubles pairing will be tough to beat.

Assuming that this better version of Melzer (since May 2010) no longer suffers from extreme stage fright in Davis Cup matches, the best plan is to grind him off the clay. Tsonga doesn't play like that, and Gasquet isn't a wall.
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If the guys begin to refuse the selection Well it's strange from Gilles maybe he doesn't feel enough confidence from DC staff If Richard is not OK it should be Mika in single unless Bennet find his form. For doubles it should be the come back of Bennet-Mika but Melzer is very sucessful lately. Any idea of his partner for DC ?

Now things look very tricky
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I think Richard will be OK, I don't think Simon would of pulled out of it knowing Gasquet is still a doubt for the tie.
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but Melzer is very sucessful lately. Any idea of his partner for DC ?
Melzer has partnered with 2 different players in the last 2 ties.

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If the guys begin to refuse the selection Well it's strange from Gilles maybe he doesn't feel enough confidence from DC staff If Richard is not OK it should be Mika in single unless Bennet find his form. For doubles it should be the come back of Bennet-Mika but Melzer is very sucessful lately. Any idea of his partner for DC ?
I don't think Gilles is refusing the selection though. He said he's not the best choice, which is the truth and we all know that. But if they have no one to select (like say Jo and Richard both out for whatever reason) and ask Gilles to play, (then in that case, Gilles will become the best available option), I don't think he will refuse to go.
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I agree with you, he's a team player
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i understood that he doesn't want to play this tie and i'm pretty sure he doesn't want to be the alternate. I feel that clay is not the only reason the words of Forget in january may have hurt him We'll see but from Roux it sounds like this time Gilles is less excited by DC so why ?
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Gilles, de manière très honnête, nous a dit qu’il estimait qu’il y avait meilleur que lui sur terre battue, une surface où il estime avoir besoin de temps pour se préparer » , confiait hier Lionel Roux.
I like Simon, but I feel this is a bit bizarre. Though I am not keen on Forget, it is up to him to select and not for the players to declare themselves out of the game. What if Richard's injury won't be healed by then? Then Simon could hardly avoid a selection, unless Forget puts his faith again on Llodra. On clay though, this would be more than ridiculuous.

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Melzer who is capable of winning both his rubbers, so it could come down to the Doubles match...
Please not this usual stuff "the doubles is crucial". If France were less crazy about the doubles and focuse more on the singles, their DC-record would be more glorious.

Besides, Jürgen won with Petzschner today against Llodra/Zimonjic. Jürgen might well win his match on Friday and the doubles with whomever he has to play with, but it might get tough for him on Sunday.

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i understood that he doesn't want to play this tie and i'm pretty sure he doesn't want to be the alternate.
Why not if he is such a team player? Richard was the alternate THREE times last year.
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i understood that he doesn't want to play this tie and i'm pretty sure he doesn't want to be the alternate. I feel that clay is not the only reason the words of Forget in january may have hurt him We'll see but from Roux it sounds like this time Gilles is less excited by DC so why ?
You think the question placed to him is: “Gilles, do u want to play this tie?” I highly doubt the coaching staff will use such approach to ask for players’ participation. First of all, I don’t think this question was asked yesterday when Gael’s hurt, it was asked way before then, when Gael was a choice. I think the question placed to him was: “Gilles, what is your assessment of yourself in regard to this tie?” so his answer: he’s not the best choice because other guys are better (no need to tell you Gael and Richard’s records on clay, in 09 and 10, Jo was 16-9, Mika was 9-5, Benny was 11-14, Gilles was 9-12) . He needs more time to prepare on clay (07/08/09, his first tournament of the year on clay was Monte Carlo, he lost all his first clay match. He always starts slowly on clay. So to me, these are true assessment, based on facts, hardly excuses. And the fact is, he has no place to hide anyway, you think Forget and staffs haven’t figured out these stat themselves to know that Gilles’ a bit weak on clay atm? I think Roux said that now to make sure ppl understand that excluding Gilles is not because the coaching team (or Forget) is biased against him (since there’s reason to believe that Forget is not fond of Gilles, based on what he said about Gilles on the paper), but it's because Gilles is no good on clay and even Gilles himself agrees.

Then again, I could be wrong. I'm giving Gilles benefit of a doubt, because he is a smart boy and will know better to tell his boss that he can't be bothered to be of the team's service unless Gilles decides to commit professional suicide in regard to his DC career.

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I like Simon, but I feel this is a bit bizarre. Though I am not keen on Forget, it is up to him to select and not for the players to declare themselves out of the game. What if Richard's injury won't be healed by then? Then Simon could hardly avoid a selection, unless Forget puts his faith again on Llodra. On clay though, this would be more than ridiculuous.
Gilles didn’t declare himself out of the game, no need to paint him as the bad guy yet. Besides, Forget is the boss and we know by experience that if Forget asks a player to play, he cannot refuse, or Forget will no doubt express his displease to the press. If Gilles is defying his captain, you can bet that he will face certain consequences in the future. As for Forget's choice, not only that Gilles has done no better than Mika on clay in the past 2 years, Gilles' also not a double choice, there is really a lot against him to be chosen for a clay tie.

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Why not if he is such a team player? Richard was the alternate THREE times last year.
Again, Gilles hasn’t said that he won’t be an alternate if he was asked, so wait until he says that before you condemn him for not being a team player. I know you want to believe that Richard is the most selfless member of the French DC team. Maybe he is, but the cynic in me don’t think that he did that solely for the team. Richard, like Gilles, are both in the doghouse of Forget. If Richard had refused to be an alternate on the team, what will Forget think? This same situation will be applied to Gilles too, if he ever refused to take one for the team, you think Forget won’t take note of that? They will lose a tons of brownie points for sure, and they are already in the doghouse, imagine what’s their chance of getting into the team again? (I can imagine Forget going to the press to criticize his players for daring to refuse him though. Richard already had enough bad press due to the DC team, I don't think he can afford any more). French team has so many talents and as long as Jo and Gael and Mika are still there, and Benny as a double partner, there are lots of choices for alternate. So for them to do the alternate duty, I think they do it because they think that would help them to get on the real team the next time. To think that no self-interest is served is a bit naïve IMO.
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I'm giving Gilles benefit of a doubt, because he is a smart boy.
I do not take the other Frenchies' interviews/remarks seriously for most of the time, some are too exuberant and others are not saying anything relevant or the same stuff all the time. It is exactly the fact that Gilles is a smart guy that makes his comments look inppropriate and not timely. He must have known that expressing himself like he did offers room for interpretation which could shed a an unfavourable light on him.

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I know you want to believe that Richard is the most selfless member of the French DC team.
Far from that. I'd wish that Richard would stand up to Forget and telling him: "I am not going to interrupt my schedule three times a year for sitting on the bench only for Llodra to say I don't care about DC", though this is never going to happen.
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I do not take the other Frenchies' interviews/remarks seriously for most of the time, some are too exuberant and others are not saying anything relevant or the same stuff all the time. It is exactly the fact that Gilles is a smart guy that makes his comments look inppropriate and not timely. He must have known that expressing himself like he did offers room for interpretation which could shed a an unfavourable light on him.
Well, if you think it's inappropriate, and IF that's really the case, then I guess he decides to not give a damn then . Like I said, he knows how he handles it will have consequences, and he can end his DC career right there and then if he intends on telling Forget to get lost (refusing to serve the team, how dare him). And IF that's the case, you should at least agree he has gut to do that then, no? The paper said Gilles was guilt-ridden for losing his match against Nole, he lost sleep during his off-season, if you believe what the paper said. You think he doesn't want to be a team player? But either way, it's not a big loss to the team anyway, has Gilles ever been considered a valuable member of the team and was treated like one? Forget will tell you that he won't count on him anyway since he never won a live rubber. But then if Gilles excuses himself for a clay tie because he's no good in it anyway, then hell should break loose and Gilles is guilty of being selfish. That's hardly fair, or is it?
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Well, if you think it's inappropriate, and IF that's really the case, then I guess he decides to not give a damn then . Like I said, he knows how he handles it will have consequences, and he can end his DC career right there and then if he intends on telling Forget to get lost (refusing to serve the team, how dare him). And IF that's the case, you should at least agree he has gut to do that then, no? The paper said Gilles was guilt-ridden for losing his match against Nole, he lost sleep during his off-season, if you believe what the paper said. You think he doesn't want to be a team player? But either way, it's not a big loss to the team anyway, has Gilles ever been considered a valuable member of the team and was treated like one? Forget will tell you that he won't count on him anyway since he never won a live rubber. But then if Gilles excuses himself for a clay tie because he's no good in it anyway, then hell should break loose and Gilles is guilty of being selfish. That's hardly fair, or is it?
All I am saying is that I think it better if all of the guys involved keep their mouths shut for the time being.
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But Gasquet is injured! They just can't put him in the team, plus he hasn't played on clay since 7 months. OK, it's sad that Monfils is out and Simon may not feel physically at his best to pull out of the selection but seriously, Gasquet has double tendonitis, and may even not play Dubai and they want to throw him against Melzer on first day? Forget continue to amaze me, really.
Just put Tsonga with Llodra and Llodra-Benneteau in double and that's it. No need to involve Gasquet again.
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But Gasquet is injured! They just can't put him in the team, plus he hasn't played on clay since 7 months. OK, it's sad that Monfils is out and Simon may not feel physically at his best to pull out of the selection but seriously, Gasquet has double tendonitis, and may even not play Dubai and they want to throw him against Melzer on first day? Forget continue to amaze me, really.
Just put Tsonga with Llodra and Llodra-Benneteau in double and that's it. No need to involve Gasquet again.
Forget wants to play the best player possible and Gasquet is the better player on Clay.
Gasquet is coming back from an injury so he may want to play Llodra instead but I would still go with Gasquet.
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But Gasquet is injured! They just can't put him in the team, plus he hasn't played on clay since 7 months. OK, it's sad that Monfils is out and Simon may not feel physically at his best to pull out of the selection but seriously, Gasquet has double tendonitis, and may even not play Dubai and they want to throw him against Melzer on first day? Forget continue to amaze me, really.
Just put Tsonga with Llodra and Llodra-Benneteau in double and that's it. No need to involve Gasquet again.
No one has played on clay for months and I imagine no one really wants to interrupt their IW/Miami prep for DC particulary Simon and Gasquet who might end up just sitting on the bench or get thrown into the lion's den to play Meltzer afer what might be in Gasquet's case his first match after being out with injury for several weeks.

Options for France look pretty bleak right now. Putting your hopes on Tsonga and Llodra for a match on clay away from the home crowd (which both seem to feed off of) is not too encouraging but it's DC and strange things happen in DC.
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