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Old 05-03-2012, 12:35 AM   #61
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Better than Delpo's, never.

When Marin was at his best, it definitely was. He even outaced Roddick in their AO 2010 5-setter. His serve was really, really good.

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it pretty much all started after an incident when he was practicing with a german youngster and the kid collapsed and got sent to the hospital. I think that affected him a bit and then he also got injured a couple times, the major time being this year which delayed the start of his season.

at times it looks like he's getting back to that level
Uh I had no idea about that incident. Any links?

I hope he gets back to his best level though, he definitely belongs at the top, not outside of the top 20.
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Old 05-03-2012, 12:46 AM   #62
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Default Re: What happened to Marin Cilic after the Australian Open 2010?

Nothing happened to him, he was always a mug, who won a couple of MM tournies and fluked a slam semi after barely beating Mugic and no-wrist Delpotro. He was never anything special, his technique sucks, his serve sucks and he's a clown.
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Nothing happened to him, he was always a mug, who won a couple of MM tournies and fluked a slam semi after barely beating Mugic and no-wrist Delpotro. He was never anything special, his technique sucks, his serve sucks and he's a clown.
step onto a court and play him
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step onto a court and play him
I am not a pro, while he is. His job is to prove himself to other elite pros and so far he hasn't done that.
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I am not a pro, while he is. His job is to prove himself to other elite pros and so far he hasn't done that.
GS SF and highest No.9 ranking already proved him was one of elites.

He's only 23, guys younger than him are nowhere to compare with him, except Tomic and Raonic. He will back to he used to be at 2010AO and even better. Time will tell.
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Nothing happened to him, he was always a mug, who won a couple of MM tournies and fluked a slam semi after barely beating Mugic and no-wrist Delpotro. He was never anything special, his technique sucks, his serve sucks and he's a clown.
This is a horrible sign for tennis if true. A clown/mug with horrible technique and serve was in the top 10 and reached a Slam semi? Even now, according to the rankings, there are only 23 players in the world better than this "clown".

Tennis must be the weakest pro sport in the world.
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This is a horrible sign for tennis if true. A clown/mug with horrible technique and serve was in the top 10 and reached a Slam semi? Even now, according to the rankings, there are only 23 players in the world better than this "clown".

Tennis must be the weakest pro sport in the world.
Worse things have happened like Fish, Almagro and Isner in top 10. All are horrendous players, even worse than Mugrin.
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Worse things have happened like Fish, Almagro and Isner in top 10. All are horrendous players, even worse than Mugrin.
What does that say about the guys ranked below them? If you really believe that top 10 players are horrendous perhaps you would enjoy another sport more? You know, a sport where the top guys aren't mugs/clowns.

Not to mention those players aren't horrendous, especially Isner. How can a guy who has possibly the best serve in tennis history - combining 1st,2nd, %, clutch serving, etc... - be a horrendous player?!
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What does that say about the guys ranked below them? If you really believe that top 10 players are horrendous perhaps you would enjoy another sport more? You know, a sport where the top guys aren't mugs/clowns.

Not to mention those players aren't horrendous, especially Isner. How can a guy who has possibly the best serve in tennis history - combining 1st,2nd, %, clutch serving, etc... - be a horrendous player?!
Sorry, but Raonic has him beat there.
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Sorry, but Raonic has him beat there.
No, he doesn't. Not even close.

Raonic has a better first serve, but that's it.

Isner has much better first serve %, second serve and ability to come up with the goods when needed - clutch serving. Isner's % alone is freakish, it's amazing how a guy with such a big serve can regularly serve over 70% in big matches.

Isner has the best serve on tour and it's not even really close. A few guys have a better (or at least as good) first serve than him, but as far as serve overall is concerned, no one comes close.
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Isner's serve isn't better than Raonic's. His disguise is worse, he doesn't know what do with his serve at times. In fact it's way easier to read Isner's serve than Raonic's. The only possible thing that Isner has that's better when it comes to serving is the kick serve.
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No, he doesn't. Not even close.

Raonic has a better first serve, but that's it.

Isner has much better first serve %, second serve and ability to come up with the goods when needed - clutch serving. Isner's % alone is freakish, it's amazing how a guy with such a big serve can regularly serve over 70% in big matches.

Isner has the best serve on tour and it's not even really close. A few guys have a better (or at least as good) first serve than him, but as far as serve overall is concerned, no one comes close.
Not really, he's very tall if you hadn't noticed, which helps alot.

Raonic has the best serve, seriously, if you think that Isner>Raonic and Cilic>Delpo on serve, then you don't know tennis.
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Isner's serve isn't better than Raonic's. His disguise is worse, he doesn't know what do with his serve at times. In fact it's way easier to read Isner's serve than Raonic's. The only possible thing that Isner has that's better when it comes to serving is the kick serve.
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Not really, he's very tall if you hadn't noticed, which helps alot.

Raonic has the best serve, seriously, if you think that Isner>Raonic and Cilic>Delpo on serve, then you don't know tennis.
So. Karlovic and Ivanisevic were tall as well and their % was never like Isner's.

When he reached the Indian Wells final, he served at 73% vs Djokovic and 74% vs Federer, which is just incredible for a guy with a such a big serve.

Isner has by far the best serve on tour, Raonic isn't particularly close on that department. Quality of serve is different from quality of the first serve.

That said, Raonic is likely to be a better player than Isner once he matures, but that's because he has better/bigger weapons off the ground, not because he has a better serve.

Also, I'm glad to know elite tennis players know nothing about tennis. In the recent perfect player survey, every player chose Isner in the serve category.

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Isner's serve isn't better than Raonic's. His disguise is worse, he doesn't know what do with his serve at times. In fact it's way easier to read Isner's serve than Raonic's. The only possible thing that Isner has that's better when it comes to serving is the kick serve.
Surprising comment for you, considering Isner took Nadal to 5 on clay basely because of his serve. Not only is it better than Raonic, it is MUCH better, than anyone else's on tour at the moment.

There are guys with better first serves, namely Raonic and Karlovic. But considering first serve quality, first serve %, quality of second serve, clutch serving... no one really comes close to Isner.

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He never impressed me. Another Ancic. Raonic is much more talented and has way more upside. Cilic? Stick a fork in him. He done
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