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Old 08-22-2010, 08:35 PM   #121
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I'm sure all the victims of these violations of human rights are innocent civilians. Do you know the fact that the goverment in Gaza right know is Hamas? Would you feel safe if your neighbour country(Canada?) were controled by Al Qaeda? I don't see any differnce between these 2 oraganizations, one doesn't believe in america's exsitance, and one in Israel's.
It's easy to criticize while you sit there in your comfort chair while innocent people around Gaza suffered from missile attacks.
There occupation of land is illegal, and they'll take more as time goes on.
Israel is being critisized by the world for their violation of human rights.
They have little conscience of the damage they do to innocent people and have only self interest.

I already showed you what happened in only a week, there's no room to put all they have done wrong.

But here's a sample.

UN Resolutions Against Israel, 1955-1992

Resolution 106: "...'condemns' Israel for Gaza raid"
Resolution 111: "...'condemns' Israel for raid on Syria that killed fifty-six people"
Resolution 127: "...'recommends' Israel suspend its 'no-man's zone' in Jerusalem"
Resolution 162: "...'urges' Israel to comply with UN decisions"
Resolution 171: "....determines flagrant violations' by Israel in its attack on Syria"
Resolution 228: "...'censures' Israel for its attack on Samu in the West Bank, then under Jordanian control"
Resolution 237: "...'urges' Israel to allow return of new 1967 Palestinian refugees"
Resolution 248: "...'condemns' Israel for its massive attack on Karameh in Jordan"
Resolution 250: "...'calls' on Israel to refrain from holding military parade in Jerusalem"
Resolution 251: "...'deeply deplores' Israeli military parade in Jerusalem in defiance of Resolution 250"
Resolution 252: "...'declares invalid' Israel's acts to unify Jerusalem as Jewish capital"
Resolution 256: "...'condemns' Israeli raids on Jordan as 'flagrant violation"
Resolution 259: "...'deplores' Israel's refusal to accept UN mission to probe occupation"
Resolution 262: "...'condemns' Israel for attack on Beirut airport"
Resolution 265: "...'condemns' Israel for air attacks for Salt in Jordan"
Resolution 267: "...'censures' Israel for administrative acts to change the status of Jerusalem"
Resolution 270: "...'condemns' Israel for air attacks on villages in southern Lebanon"
Resolution 271: "...'condemns' Israel's failure to obey UN resolutions on Jerusalem"
Resolution 279: "...'demands' withdrawal of Israeli forces from Lebanon"
Resolution 280: "...'condemns' Israeli's attacks against Lebanon"
Resolution 285: "...'demands' immediate Israeli withdrawal form Lebanon"
Resolution 298: "...'deplores' Israel's changing of the status of Jerusalem"
Resolution 313: "...'demands' that Israel stop attacks against Lebanon"
Resolution 316: "...'condemns' Israel for repeated attacks on Lebanon"
Resolution 317: "...'deplores' Israel's refusal to release Arabs abducted in Lebanon"
Resolution 332: "...'condemns' Israel's repeated attacks against Lebanon"
Resolution 337: "...'condemns' Israel for violating Lebanon's sovereignty"
Resolution 347: "...'condemns' Israeli attacks on Lebanon"
Resolution 425: "...'calls' on Israel to withdraw its forces from Lebanon"
Resolution 427: "...'calls' on Israel to complete its withdrawal from Lebanon"
Resolution 444: "...'deplores' Israel's lack of cooperation with UN peacekeeping forces"
Resolution 446: "...'determines' that Israeli settlements are a 'serious obstruction' to peace and calls on Israel to abide by the Fourth Geneva Convention"
Resolution 450: "...'calls' on Israel to stop attacking Lebanon"
Resolution 452: "...'calls' on Israel to cease building settlements in occupied territories"
Resolution 465: "...'deplores' Israel's settlements and asks all member states not to assist Israel's settlements program"
Resolution 467: "...'strongly deplores' Israel's military intervention in Lebanon"
Resolution 468: "...'calls' on Israel to rescind illegal expulsions of two Palestinian mayors and a judge and to facilitate their return"
Resolution 469: "...'strongly deplores' Israel's failure to observe the council's order not to deport Palestinians"
Resolution 471: "...'expresses deep concern' at Israel's failure to abide by the Fourth Geneva Convention"
Resolution 476: "...'reiterates' that Israel's claims to Jerusalem are 'null and void'"
Resolution 478: "...'censures (Israel) in the strongest terms' for its claim to Jerusalem in its 'Basic Law'"
Resolution 484: "...'declares it imperative' that Israel re-admit two deported Palestinian mayors"
Resolution 487: "...'strongly condemns' Israel for its attack on Iraq's nuclear facility"
Resolution 497: "...'decides' that Israel's annexation of Syria's Golan Heights is 'null and void' and demands that Israel rescind its decision forthwith"
Resolution 498: "...'calls' on Israel to withdraw from Lebanon"
Resolution 501: "...'calls' on Israel to stop attacks against Lebanon and withdraw its troops"
Resolution 509: "...'demands' that Israel withdraw its forces forthwith and unconditionally from Lebanon"
Resolution 515: "...'demands' that Israel lift its siege of Beirut and allow food supplies to be brought in"
Resolution 517: "...'censures' Israel for failing to obey UN resolutions and demands that Israel withdraw its forces from Lebanon"
Resolution 518: "...'demands' that Israel cooperate fully with UN forces in Lebanon"
Resolution 520: "...'condemns' Israel's attack into West Beirut"
Resolution 573: "...'condemns' Israel 'vigorously' for bombing Tunisia in attack on PLO headquarters"
Resolution 587: "...'takes note' of previous calls on Israel to withdraw its forces from Lebanon and urges all parties to withdraw"
Resolution 592: "...'strongly deplores' the killing of Palestinian students at Bir Zeit University by Israeli troops"
Resolution 605: "...'strongly deplores' Israel's policies and practices denying the human rights of Palestinians"
Resolution 607: "...'calls' on Israel not to deport Palestinians and strongly requests it to abide by the Fourth Geneva Convention"
Resolution 608: "...'deeply regrets' that Israel has defied the United Nations and deported Palestinian civilians"
Resolution 636: "...'deeply regrets' Israeli deportation of Palestinian civilians"
Resolution 641: "...'deplores' Israel's continuing deportation of Palestinians"
Resolution 672: "...'condemns' Israel for violence against Palestinians at the Haram al-Sharif/Temple Mount"
Resolution 673: "...'deplores' Israel's refusal to cooperate with the United Nations"
Resolution 681: "...'deplores' Israel's resumption of the deportation of Palestinians"
Resolution 694: "...'deplores' Israel's deportation of Palestinians and calls on it to ensure their safe and immediate return"
Resolution 726: "...'strongly condemns' Israel's deportation of Palestinians"
Resolution 799: "...'strongly condemns' Israel's deportation of 413 Palestinians and calls for their immediate return."
(From Findley's Deliberate Deceptions, 1998 pages 188 - 192)


The following are the resolutions vetoed by the United States during the period of September, 1972, to May, 1990 to protect Israel from council criticism:
"....condemned Israel's attack against Southern against southern Lebanon and Syria..."
"....affirmed the rights of the Palestinian people to self-determination, statehood and equal protections..."
"....condemned Israel's air strikes and attacks in southern Lebanon and its murder of innocent civilians..."
"....called for self-determination of Palestinian people..."
"....deplored Israel's altering of the status of Jerusalem, which is recognized as an international city by most world nations and the United Nations..."
"....affirmed the inalienable rights of the Palestinian people..."
"....endorsed self-determination for the Palestinian people..."
"....demanded Israel's withdrawal from the Golan Heights..."
"....condemned Israel's mistreatment of Palestinians in the occupied West Bank and Gaza Strip and its refusal to abide by the Geneva convention protocols of civilized nations..."
"....condemned an Israeli soldier who shot eleven Moslem worshippers at the Haram al-Sharif/Temple Mount near Al-Aqsa Mosque in the Old City of Jerusalem..."
"....urged sanctions against Israel if it did not withdraw from its invasion of Lebanon..."
"....urged sanctions against Israel if it did not withdraw from its invasion of Beirut..."
"....urged cutoff of economic aid to Israel if it refused to withdraw from its occupation of Lebanon..."
"....condemned continued Israeli settlements in occupied territories in the West Bank and Gaza Strip, denouncing them as an obstacle to peace..."
"....deplores Israel's brutal massacre of Arabs in Lebanon and urges its withdrawal..."
"....condemned Israeli brutality in southern Lebanon and denounced the Israeli 'Iron Fist' policy of repression...."
"....denounced Israel's violation of human rights in the occupied territories..."
"....deplored Israel's violence in southern Lebanon..."
"....deplored Israel's activities in occupied Arab East Jerusalem that threatened the sanctity of Muslim holy sites..."
"....condemned Israel's hijacking of a Libyan passenger airplane..."
"....deplored Israel's attacks against Lebanon and its measures and practices against the civilian population of Lebanon..."
"....called on Israel to abandon its policies against the Palestinian intifada that violated the rights of occupied Palestinians, to abide by the Fourth Geneva Conventions, and to formalize a leading role for the United Nations in future peace negotiations..."
"....urged Israel to accept back deported Palestinians, condemned Israel's shooting of civilians, called on Israel to uphold the Fourth Geneva Convention, and called for a peace settlement under UN auspices..."
"....condemned Israel's... incursion into Lebanon..."
"....deplored Israel's... commando raids on Lebanon..."
"....deplored Israel's repression of the Palestinian intifada and called on Israel to respect the human rights of the Palestinians..."
"....deplored Israel's violation of the human rights of the Palestinians..."
"....demanded that Israel return property confiscated from Palestinians during a tax protest and allow a fact-finding mission to observe Israel's crackdown on the Palestinian intifada..."
"....called for a fact-finding mission on abuses against Palestinians in Israeli-occupied lands..."
(From Findley's Deliberate Deceptions, 1998 pages 192 - 194)
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Old 08-22-2010, 10:10 PM   #123
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There occupation of land is illegal, and they'll take more as time goes on.
Of course. Israel wants only to make herself bigger and take land from the poor arabs.
That's funny if you refer to this picture:


The last side who made an important act was Israel - who withdrawed one sided from Gaza, and instead seeing same building peace acts from the Palestinians, what we've got was Hamas ruling Gaza, and thousands of rockets to Israel.


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Israel is being critisized by the world for their violation of human rights.
They have little conscience of the damage they do to innocent people and have only self interest.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NX6vyT8RzMo
Watch this video and tell me how you keep on saying these lies. This is a General in the British army that have no reason to support Israel blindly - I can even say that GB is one of the biggest criticezers of Israel in the west.
Actually, why do Israel need to be the one who send dozens of tons of support to Gaza? through the Israeli border. To supply Gas to Gaza, to supply electricity. They have a border with their best friend, Egypt, don't they?

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I already showed you what happened in only a week, there's no room to put all they have done wrong.
Why don't you show how Hamas violates the Human rights? why didn't you post about the Fatah people that he have killed, the "collaborators" that kills every day, the people that he uses as a human shield?

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But here's a sample.

UN Resolutions Against Israel, 1955-1992

Resolution 106: "...'condemns' Israel for Gaza raid"
Resolution 111: "...'condemns' Israel for raid on Syria that killed fifty-six people"
Resolution 127: "...'recommends' Israel suspend its 'no-man's zone' in Jerusalem"
Resolution 162: "...'urges' Israel to comply with UN decisions"
Resolution 171: "....determines flagrant violations' by Israel in its attack on Syria"
Resolution 228: "...'censures' Israel for its attack on Samu in the West Bank, then under Jordanian control"
Resolution 237: "...'urges' Israel to allow return of new 1967 Palestinian refugees"
Resolution 248: "...'condemns' Israel for its massive attack on Karameh in Jordan"
Resolution 250: "...'calls' on Israel to refrain from holding military parade in Jerusalem"
Resolution 251: "...'deeply deplores' Israeli military parade in Jerusalem in defiance of Resolution 250"
Resolution 252: "...'declares invalid' Israel's acts to unify Jerusalem as Jewish capital"
Resolution 256: "...'condemns' Israeli raids on Jordan as 'flagrant violation"
Resolution 259: "...'deplores' Israel's refusal to accept UN mission to probe occupation"
Resolution 262: "...'condemns' Israel for attack on Beirut airport"
Resolution 265: "...'condemns' Israel for air attacks for Salt in Jordan"
Resolution 267: "...'censures' Israel for administrative acts to change the status of Jerusalem"
Resolution 270: "...'condemns' Israel for air attacks on villages in southern Lebanon"
Resolution 271: "...'condemns' Israel's failure to obey UN resolutions on Jerusalem"
Resolution 279: "...'demands' withdrawal of Israeli forces from Lebanon"
Resolution 280: "...'condemns' Israeli's attacks against Lebanon"
Resolution 285: "...'demands' immediate Israeli withdrawal form Lebanon"
Resolution 298: "...'deplores' Israel's changing of the status of Jerusalem"
Resolution 313: "...'demands' that Israel stop attacks against Lebanon"
Resolution 316: "...'condemns' Israel for repeated attacks on Lebanon"
Resolution 317: "...'deplores' Israel's refusal to release Arabs abducted in Lebanon"
Resolution 332: "...'condemns' Israel's repeated attacks against Lebanon"
Resolution 337: "...'condemns' Israel for violating Lebanon's sovereignty"
Resolution 347: "...'condemns' Israeli attacks on Lebanon"
Resolution 425: "...'calls' on Israel to withdraw its forces from Lebanon"
Resolution 427: "...'calls' on Israel to complete its withdrawal from Lebanon"
Resolution 444: "...'deplores' Israel's lack of cooperation with UN peacekeeping forces"
Resolution 446: "...'determines' that Israeli settlements are a 'serious obstruction' to peace and calls on Israel to abide by the Fourth Geneva Convention"
Resolution 450: "...'calls' on Israel to stop attacking Lebanon"
Resolution 452: "...'calls' on Israel to cease building settlements in occupied territories"
Resolution 465: "...'deplores' Israel's settlements and asks all member states not to assist Israel's settlements program"
Resolution 467: "...'strongly deplores' Israel's military intervention in Lebanon"
Resolution 468: "...'calls' on Israel to rescind illegal expulsions of two Palestinian mayors and a judge and to facilitate their return"
Resolution 469: "...'strongly deplores' Israel's failure to observe the council's order not to deport Palestinians"
Resolution 471: "...'expresses deep concern' at Israel's failure to abide by the Fourth Geneva Convention"
Resolution 476: "...'reiterates' that Israel's claims to Jerusalem are 'null and void'"
Resolution 478: "...'censures (Israel) in the strongest terms' for its claim to Jerusalem in its 'Basic Law'"
Resolution 484: "...'declares it imperative' that Israel re-admit two deported Palestinian mayors"
Resolution 487: "...'strongly condemns' Israel for its attack on Iraq's nuclear facility"
Resolution 497: "...'decides' that Israel's annexation of Syria's Golan Heights is 'null and void' and demands that Israel rescind its decision forthwith"
Resolution 498: "...'calls' on Israel to withdraw from Lebanon"
Resolution 501: "...'calls' on Israel to stop attacks against Lebanon and withdraw its troops"
Resolution 509: "...'demands' that Israel withdraw its forces forthwith and unconditionally from Lebanon"
Resolution 515: "...'demands' that Israel lift its siege of Beirut and allow food supplies to be brought in"
Resolution 517: "...'censures' Israel for failing to obey UN resolutions and demands that Israel withdraw its forces from Lebanon"
Resolution 518: "...'demands' that Israel cooperate fully with UN forces in Lebanon"
Resolution 520: "...'condemns' Israel's attack into West Beirut"
Resolution 573: "...'condemns' Israel 'vigorously' for bombing Tunisia in attack on PLO headquarters"
Resolution 587: "...'takes note' of previous calls on Israel to withdraw its forces from Lebanon and urges all parties to withdraw"
Resolution 592: "...'strongly deplores' the killing of Palestinian students at Bir Zeit University by Israeli troops"
Resolution 605: "...'strongly deplores' Israel's policies and practices denying the human rights of Palestinians"
Resolution 607: "...'calls' on Israel not to deport Palestinians and strongly requests it to abide by the Fourth Geneva Convention"
Resolution 608: "...'deeply regrets' that Israel has defied the United Nations and deported Palestinian civilians"
Resolution 636: "...'deeply regrets' Israeli deportation of Palestinian civilians"
Resolution 641: "...'deplores' Israel's continuing deportation of Palestinians"
Resolution 672: "...'condemns' Israel for violence against Palestinians at the Haram al-Sharif/Temple Mount"
Resolution 673: "...'deplores' Israel's refusal to cooperate with the United Nations"
Resolution 681: "...'deplores' Israel's resumption of the deportation of Palestinians"
Resolution 694: "...'deplores' Israel's deportation of Palestinians and calls on it to ensure their safe and immediate return"
Resolution 726: "...'strongly condemns' Israel's deportation of Palestinians"
Resolution 799: "...'strongly condemns' Israel's deportation of 413 Palestinians and calls for their immediate return."
(From Findley's Deliberate Deceptions, 1998 pages 188 - 192)
Thanks for proving my point. There's a huge Arab countries group in the UN, that it's not matter what Israel will do, the UN will condemn it. I don't say that the UN don't need to condemn Israel, but how many times did the UN have condemned the human rights violations in: Iran, Sudan, Libya. How does it possible that many of those who critcizing about human rights violations, doing much more worse violations?
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Of course. Israel wants only to make herself bigger and take land from the poor arabs.
Until they don't stop building illegal settlements they obviously do.

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Actually, why do Israel need to be the one who send dozens of tons of support to Gaza? through the Israeli border. To supply Gas to Gaza, to supply electricity. They have a border with their best friend, Egypt, don't they?
Because they are responsible that these people live like in a prison so it's their task to supply them with food and not Egypt.

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Why don't you show how Hamas violates the Human rights? why didn't you post about the Fatah people that he have killed, the "collaborators" that kills every day, the people that he uses as a human shield?
You have created these groups like the US has created Al Qaida. So why complaining now?

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Thanks for proving my point. There's a huge Arab countries group in the UN, that it's not matter what Israel will do, the UN will condemn it. I don't say that the UN don't need to condemn Israel, but how many times did the UN have condemned the human rights violations in: Iran, Sudan, Libya. How does it possible that many of those who critcizing about human rights violations, doing much more worse violations?
When and for what was Israel condemned except of a few bad words here and there? On the other side Iran gets sanctioning for not doing anything. Why is Israel never getting sanctioned?
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Until they don't stop building illegal settlements they obviously do.
Israel freezed in the recent year building in the "occupied" terretories, and yet, the Palestinians wouldn't even agreed to talk


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Because they are responsible that these people live like in a prison so it's their task to supply them with food and not Egypt.
Who said so? why is their border with Egypt is not open? I mean, give me a reason that Israel should give them what they need and not Egypt. Egypt suppoused to be in a good relations with them, don't they?
Is this make Israel for a country that wants to make the Palestinians suffer?

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You have created these groups like the US has created Al Qaida. So why complaining now?
Why do you say that? A country for the Jewish people in Israel had a majority in the UN. It didn't take to long after this decision to the Arab countries around to attack us.


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When and for what was Israel condemned except of a few bad words? On the other side Iran gets sanctioning. Why is Israel never getting sanctioned?
Israel is the most favorited subject on the human rights council, although there are countries that should've been there way more times than Israel.
Do you compare Iran to Israel? do you understand that in the head of Iran stands a holocaust denier dictator that mentioned a few times that he wants to wipe Israel of the map?
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Israel freezed in the recent year building in the "occupied" terretories, and yet, the Palestinians wouldn't even agreed to talk
No? What about September 2nd in Washington?

We all know Israel won't stop the building. Freezing is not enough. They have to stop it, once and forever. That's why the next meeting is going to fail like all the other ones. Maybe one time an Israeli President will come who agrees to all these things but surely not the current one.

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Who said so? why is their border with Egypt is not open? I mean, give me a reason that Israel should give them what they need and not Egypt. Egypt suppoused to be in a good relations with them, don't they?
Is this make Israel for a country that wants to make the Palestinians suffer?
Because Israel doesn't want to get it open. I read Israel is planning to built a wall along this border. Does this answer your question?

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Why do you say that? A country for the Jewish people in Israel had a majority in the UN. It didn't take to long after this decision to the Arab countries around to attack us.
Of course they had a majority in the UN when these people share the same religion. The whole thing is based on religion/racism.

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Israel is the most favorited subject on the human rights council, although there are countries that should've been there way more times than Israel.
Only a subject? The only good thing the human rights council is good for is wasting our time by doing nothing other than holding a few talks.

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Do you compare Iran to Israel? do you understand that in the head of Iran stands a holocaust denier dictator that mentioned a few times that he wants to wipe Israel of the map?
And of course you believe all these things? How do you think Iran is going to do that?

This reminds me of the whole Iraq war which was based on wrong accusing.
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No? What about September 2nd in Washington?
It's about time after a huge pressure from the US, and we'll see if it'll happen at all.

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We all know Israel won't stop the building. Freezing is not enough. They have to stop it, once and forever. That's why the next meeting is going to fail like all the other ones. Maybe one time an Israeli President will come who agrees to all these things but surely not the current one.
I'll tell you the truth - i'm not a fan of the settlements - but I don't think that they are the main problem. If the Palestinians would've want, they could start talking while Israel freezed the settlements, and maybe achieving it for once and forever. Israel can't be the one who always takes the steps, they should come from the Palestinians too. BTW - The one who decides in not the president(Although I believe it would be more easier with Peres to stop the building), it's the Prime Minister.

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Because Israel doesn't want to get it open. I read Israel is planning to built a wall along this border. Does this answer your question?
I don't know about this kind of plan, but again, Palestine and Israel currently at war. I believe that there should be an interntional force in Gaza that will be charge, to look for the Hamas and the border with Israel will stay close. They'll have a port in the responsibilty of the international force and a border with Egypt. Unless, there'll be a peace agreement in the coming years, but I can't see peace coming while Gaza is ruled by Hamas


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Of course they had a majority in the UN when these people share the same religion. The whole thing is based on religion/racism.
I've talked about attacking actually, the Independence war of Israel.


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Only a subject? The only good thing the human rights council is good for is wasting our time by doing nothing other than holding a few talks.
Still most of their talks shouldn't be related to Israel

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And of course you believe all these things? How do you think Iran is going to do that?

This reminds me of the whole Iraq war which was based on wrong accusing.
Hmmm...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_program_of_Iran
Don't tell me things like:
"Do you really think they would do it"... "they have no intrest to do it" - Because last time the jewish people have heard a leader says these kind of things, and people reactions were like this - it didn't had an happy end.

I don't think that it's the same case of Iraq. USA have searched someone to put the blame of the 9/11 on (And although Iraq didn't had all they thought their have...they weren't "innocent")
This case is about a lunatic dictator that will have the ability to create nucelar weapon, and there should be hell much more pressure from the world on Iran.



Will resume this converstaion tomorrow if you'll want, good night.
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If the Palestinians would've want, they could start talking while Israel freezed the settlements
talk about what exactly? the Arab Peace Initiative is there if Israel really wanted peace, which basically says give back what is not yours, and all Arab nations will declare peace with Israel, it's not so hard, but Israel doesn't want peace and wants to continue stealing and keeping lands which doesn't belong to it, most importantly East Jerusalem.

it's laughable how you point at the Arab world map as if saying why do they complain about a small amount of lands stolen from them, it's like stealing from a rich person and saying that's ok, he has got so much anyway
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Old 08-22-2010, 11:50 PM   #129
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Israel has to give the land back, it's an illegal occupation.
They have no intention of doing so, they plan to expand after the freeze is over.
It doesn't matter that they are a small country as you pointed out.
They are self serving, they don't care about the laws only themselves.

Palenstine has a right to keep fighting for what has been taken illegally.
Israel defies the world and says it is not illegal.
Israel threatens countries with violence, see my previous posts, this kind of government is a terror in it's area.

The world doesn't need neighbors like this.

Even the US has differences with them recently, I'm just hoping they don't last too long.
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Old 08-23-2010, 12:09 AM   #130
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talk about what exactly? the Arab Peace Initiative is there if Israel really wanted peace, which basically says give back what is not yours, and all Arab nations will declare peace with Israel, it's not so hard, but Israel doesn't want peace and wants to continue stealing and keeping lands which doesn't belong to it, most importantly East Jerusalem.

it's laughable how you point at the Arab world map as if saying why do they complain about a small amount of lands stolen from them, it's like stealing from a rich person and saying that's ok, he has got so much anyway

First of all, the main problems with the Arab peace initiative is the refugees. It's not possible to make an agreement that the refugees will come back to where their homes, it's much more complicated than that. Israel's goal is not to steal lands, but to keep it's exsitence, that's why Israel suggested lands swap lately. Most of the Israeli people supports peace within the 67 borders.
You forgot to mention that there will be no effect to the plan currently, if it'll be signed, as Hamas, Hizbollah and Iran reject the plan.

For your 2nd point - you can keep talking about stealing - but most of the Israeli land is a pure Israel territory - and most of the west bank is in the control of the Palestinians,I won't relate to the Golan, as its a different and complicaded story.
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In more recent news.
This kind of behavior happens all the time.
I have a lot more but this should do for now.
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Israel Jets, Drone Enter Lebanon Airspace
Four Israeli warplanes and one spy drone have illegally flown over Lebanon's airspace in the third day of provocative violations of the country's sovereignty.

On Friday, the Israeli aircraft entered the southern border town of Naqoura, the Lebanese Army said in a statement.

The statement added that the aircraft flew over several areas before heading out.

Several similar overflights have been reported since Wednesday, when 10 Israeli planes were spotted violating the country's airspace.

Israel carries out such flights on an almost daily basis, claiming they are surveillance missions.

These flights are in breach of the United Nations Security Council Resolution 1701, which obliges Israel to keep out of Lebanon following its 2006 war on the country, which left some 1,200 Lebanese dead.
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You post a long list of UN resolutions going back to 1955. Why did you not go back to the beginning and Resolution 181 of 1947, The UN Partition Plan for Palestine? When the Arab countries didn't like that particular UN resolution they ignored it and Egypt, Iraq, Jordan, Lebanon and Syria invaded.

So am I to assume that UN resolutions are good when they don't favour Israel and to be ignored when they don't favour the Arab nations?

If resolution 181 had been adhered to, this thread would probably not exist.
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You post a long list of UN resolutions going back to 1955. Why did you not go back to the beginning and Resolution 181 of 1947, The UN Partition Plan for Palestine? When the Arab countries didn't like that particular UN resolution they ignored it and Egypt, Iraq, Jordan, Lebanon and Syria invaded.

So am I to assume that UN resolutions are good when they don't favour Israel and to be ignored when they don't favour the Arab nations?

If resolution 181 had been adhered to, this thread would probably not exist.
All UN resolutions should be ignored, regardless of whom they favor.
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In more recent news.
This kind of behavior happens all the time.
I have a lot more but this should do for now.
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21:39 08/21/2010
Israel Jets, Drone Enter Lebanon Airspace
Four Israeli warplanes and one spy drone have illegally flown over Lebanon's airspace in the third day of provocative violations of the country's sovereignty.

On Friday, the Israeli aircraft entered the southern border town of Naqoura, the Lebanese Army said in a statement.

The statement added that the aircraft flew over several areas before heading out.

Several similar overflights have been reported since Wednesday, when 10 Israeli planes were spotted violating the country's airspace.

Israel carries out such flights on an almost daily basis, claiming they are surveillance missions.

These flights are in breach of the United Nations Security Council Resolution 1701, which obliges Israel to keep out of Lebanon following its 2006 war on the country, which left some 1,200 Lebanese dead.


Why you're posting one-sided articles? why you're not posting the last major incident, where soldiers of the Lebanese army shot a soldier that even did not pass the border and killed him?

You and your friends doing here an ugly propaganda. You keep saying about the "stolen" lands when Israel has made a step about it and it took a lot of effort to the Palestinians even agree to talk!!
You and your friends keep lying about Israel's goal to "steal lands". I don't know what the arab/world media feed you, but that is not true, and with these propaganda there sure won't be a peace agreement in the near future.
Again - take for example this video and the reports and the criticizing 3 months back -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SXrzF...feature=search

How is it Israel blame in everything? don't you see israel is more logically in everyhing? If someone in Israel makes a terror attack or something like that, he's been arrested in he's kicked in to jail.
Samir Kuntar, a bloody children killer was released from the Israeli prison in exchange to bodies of the IDF, and Lebanon and the arab world welcomed him as a hero!!!
a psycho killer who murdered in his own hands 4 year old girl!
I'm not even talking about Gilaad Shalit that sitting in Gaza for 4 years without even seeing a red cross crew, while the Hamas prisioners enjoy from good conditions in Israel.
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Iran's first nuclear plant begins fueling

Iran began fueling its first nuclear energy plant in the southern city of Bushehr on Saturday, the nation's state media reported.
The effort will help the country create nuclear-generated electricity, Press TV said.
The transfer of nuclear fuel was being watched by the International Atomic Energy Agency and senior officials from Iran and Russia, Press TV said.
Some Western nations have questioned whether the nuclear fuel will be used solely for electricity or would Iran eventually try to enrich uranium on its own, providing material for nuclear weapons.
It will take about two months for the reactor to begin generating electricity, state media has reported. Russia's nuclear agency says it will take longer.
Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, Iran's supreme leader, recently asserted Iran's right to establish nuclear plants.
Sergei Kiriyenko, general director of Rosatom, the Russian State Atomic Energy Corporation said Saturday's arrival of nuclear fuel marks "an event of crucial importance" that proves that "Russia always fulfills its international obligations."
Spent nuclear fuel from the plant will be sent back to Russia.
The opening of the plant prompted the White House to question Iran continuing to enrich uranium within its borders.
"Russia is providing the fuel, and taking the fuel back out," White House spokesman Robert Gibbs said earlier this month.
"It, quite clearly, I think, underscores that Iran does not need its own enrichment capability if its intentions, as it states, are for a peaceful nuclear program," he said.
Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov, speaking to Russian reporters in the Black Sea resort of Sochi Wednesday, brushed off Western concerns about the Bushehr facility, calling it "the most important anchor holding Iran to the nonproliferation regime," according to the Russian news agency RIA-Novosti.
The Bushehr facility was originally scheduled to start operations in 2007, but the date for commissioning the plant has been postponed a number of times due to various technical, financial and political factors.

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