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Old 06-09-2011, 10:47 PM   #61
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I think that this thread must be updated because Nicolás Almagro won 10 titles on clay and 0 on other surfaces

Congratulations for this awesome thread

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Old 06-10-2011, 06:33 AM   #62
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I think that this thread must be updated because Nicolás Almagro won 10 titles on clay and 0 on other surfaces

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Old 08-24-2011, 06:11 PM   #63
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Great job, That is amazing.

Only one mistake, Montanes in 2010 won 2 titles (Estoril, Stuttgart)
and I think that the title in Number 16 is wrong, is Most titles per month, no per surface

Sorry for my english


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Old 08-25-2011, 03:49 PM   #64
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Great job, That is amazing.

Only one mistake, Montanes in 2010 won 2 titles (Estoril, Stuttgart)
and I think that the title in Number 16 is wrong, is Most titles per month, no per surface

Sorry for my english


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Thanks a lot Let me know if you find anything else
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Old 08-26-2011, 03:43 AM   #65
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I find something more

In 1968 you have 18 titles in 14 players, and in the stats of tournaments per year you have 19 titles(I can`t find the missed one)

In 1973 Raul Ramirez won 2 titles (Kitzbuhel-Teheran)

In 1981 as 1968 you have 91 titles in 45 players and in other stats you have 92 titles for 1981

In 1984 you have 71 titles in 31 players and in the other stats 72

In 1987 you have 75 titles in 34 players and in the other stats 76

I think that is all
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Old 08-26-2011, 04:49 PM   #66
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As you see in this post some finals are unplayed. Therefore 5 tournaments are counted when counting tournaments, but not counting titles (because there was no winner). But I had to correct Kitzbuhel 1973 tournament. I thought it was unplayed and shared titled, but looks like Ramirez was awarded the titled (why don't they just write W/O?). I corrected the stats on 1st page only..

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Old 08-27-2011, 02:08 AM   #67
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Thanks for the explanation, apologize for bother so much

I find that tournaments taht is listed in the ATP archive but there is not the champions, but in other sites expressed the campions or the finalist

Montreal/Toronto 1968 Ramanathan Krishnan*
Merion Pa 1970 Ray Ruffels**
London WCT 1973 Brian Fairlie*
Nottingham 1976 Connors-Nastase*
Johannesburg 1977 Borg-Vilas*
Nottingham 1977 Gullikson-Fillol*
Little Rock 1979 Vitas Gerulaitis**
Salisbury 1981 Bill Scanlon**

The other sites than I used was
*ITF
**Media Guide
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Old 08-27-2011, 11:19 AM   #68
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Thanks for the explanation, apologize for bother so much

I find that tournaments taht is listed in the ATP archive but there is not the champions, but in other sites expressed the campions or the finalist
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Montreal/Toronto      1968     Ramanathan Krishnan*	Unknown#
Merion Pa             1970     Ray Ruffels**		Unknown
London WCT            1973     Brian Fairlie*		Already added (double-listed on ATP Results Archive)
Nottingham            1976     Connors-Nastase*		Already added
Johannesburg          1977     Borg-Vilas*		Will be added
Nottingham            1977     Gullikson-Fillol*	Will be added
Little Rock           1979     Vitas Gerulaitis**	Unknown
Salisbury             1981     Bill Scanlon**		Unknown
The other sites than I used was
*ITF
**Media Guide
# I didn't find it on ITF page???
Thanks! I already had two of them clear. I don't know why the 4 marked 'Unknown' isn't listed on the ATP page. There must be some kind of reason, therefore I don't want to add them, yet.

The two remaining ones, were unfinished tournaments so I guess they were not included because of that. Both players will receive runner-up prize in my posts, when I feel for updating.
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Old 08-27-2011, 07:16 PM   #69
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You can check in your files surface for Antwerp 1998 cause in ATP Results Archieve is mistake.. there is no chance tournament was Outdoor Hard in Belgium in fuckin February.. ITF and few other sites list it as Indoor Hard, which it was
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Old 08-27-2011, 08:38 PM   #70
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You can check in your files surface for Antwerp 1998 cause in ATP Results Archieve is mistake.. there is no chance tournament was Outdoor Hard in Belgium in f***in February.. ITF and few other sites list it as Indoor Hard, which it was
Yeah, I'll fix that. No chance ATP is right on that one.

There are probably lots of errors with the surfaces on the ATP page (same with dates). Even in later years, ITF and ATP seems to disagree on Indoor Hard/Indoor Carpet. A few examples:
St. Petersburg 2000-2007
Stockholm 2000-2005
Ho Chi Minh City 2005


Many tournaments are missing data. ALL HELP APPRECIATED
Code:
Year	Venue		Env.	Surf.	ITF Website Env./Surface
1970	Casablanca	N/A	N/A	N/A
1971	New York	Indoor	N/A	Not listed
1971	London/Queen's	N/A	N/A	Grass
1971	Quebec		Indoor	N/A	N/A
1971	Vancouver	Outdoor	N/A	N/A
1972	Des Moines	Indoor	N/A	Not listed
1972	Kansas City	Indoor	N/A	Not listed
1972	Los Angeles	Outdoor	N/A	N/A
1972	New York	Indoor	N/A	N/A
1972	Quebec		Indoor	N/A	N/A
1972	Tanglewood	N/A	N/A	N/A
1972	Montreal	Outdoor	N/A	N/A
1972	Sacramento	Outdoor	N/A	N/A
1972	Seattle		N/A	N/A	N/A
1972	Alamo		Outdoor	N/A	N/A
1972	Vancouver	Outdoor	N/A	N/A
1972	Johannesburg	N/A	Hard	Not listed
1973	Calgary		Indoor	N/A	N/A
1973	Vancouver	N/A	N/A	N/A
1973	Tanglewood	N/A	N/A	N/A
1973	Seattle		N/A	N/A	N/A
1973	Quebec		N/A	N/A	N/A
1973	New Delhi	Outdoor	N/A	N/A
1973	Tokyo		N/A*	Clay	N/A
1973	Jakarta		N/A	N/A	N/A
1973	Christschurch	N/A	N/A	N/A
1974	Omaha		N/A	N/A	N/A
1974	Paramus		Indoor	N/A	Not found
1974	Calgary		Indoor	N/A	N/A
1974	Salt Lake City	Indoor	N/A	N/A
1974	New Orleans	N/A	N/A	N/A
1974	Washington D.C.	N/A	N/A	N/A
1974	Tokyo		N/A	N/A	N/A
1974	Dublin		Outdoor	N/A	N/A
1974	Cedar Grove	N/A	N/A	N/A
1974	Tokyo		Outdoor	N/A	N/A
1974	Christschurch	N/A	N/A	N/A
1974	Oslo		Indoor	N/A	N/A
1975	Nassau		Outdoor	N/A	N/A
1975	Roanoke		Indoor	N/A	N/A
1975	Shreveport	N/A	N/A	N/A
1975	Memphis		N/A#	Carpet	N/A
1975	New York	Indoor	N/A	N/A
1975	Istanbul	Outdoor	N/A	N/A
1975	Washington D.C.	Outdoor	N/A	N/A
1977	Lakeway		Outdoor	N/A	Hard
1977	Bogota		N/A*	Clay	Clay
*Outdoor pretty likely
#Indoor pretty likely

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Old 08-27-2011, 09:30 PM   #71
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Can you please put list of errors you find and correct surface.. I need them for my Year end Top 5 players at the same tournaments

And I really can't understand all this tournaments with no surface and I/O data.. thats crazy. ATP just don't care
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Old 08-27-2011, 11:01 PM   #72
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Can you please put list of errors you find and correct surface..
Okay. Here I will come with such corrections

I'm focusing on the hard/carpet tournaments in the fall

Stockholm. According to Wikipedia (swedish) and ITF I conclude that:
1976-1980 and 1989-1994: Indoor Carpet
1981-1988 and 1995-2011: Indoor Hard
Which means that 1976-1979, 1995 and 2000-2005 are wrong on ATP, I think.

St. Petersburg. According to Wikipedia (english) and ITF I conclude that:
1995-1999 and 2004-2007: Indoor Carpet
2000-2003 and 2008-2011: Indoor Hard
Which means that 2000-2003 are wrong.

Paris Indoor. According to ITF and Wikipedia (english)
1968-1970, 1980, 1986-2006: Indoor Carpet
1971: Indoor Clay
1972-1979, 1981-1982, 2007-2011: Indoor Hard
Which means that 2006 are wrong on ATP (not hard). (They are incredibly right otherwise, it seems)

Ho Chi Minh City 2005. All sources confirmes carpet as surface. ATP is right!

Basel This is according to ITF:
1975-1976: Unknown
1977-1979, 1981-1986, 1988-1989, 1997, 1999-2006: Indoor Carpet
1987, 1990-1996, 1998, 2007-2011: Indoor Hard [Fr. Wikipedia says 2007-08 is carpet]
1980: Clay
ATP:
1975-1977, 1997, 1999-2006: Indoor Carpet
1978-1996, 1998, 2007-2011: Indoor Hard

If you think ITF is more trustworthy (I doubt so) you have lots of correction to do!
But 1990-2011 they agree

Moscow ITF:
-2006: Indoor Carpet
2007-2011: Indoor Hard

According to ATP and engl. Wikipedia they changed surface two years earlier. I think ITF is wrong on this one, but I'm not sure.

To be continued...

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Old 08-28-2011, 02:01 AM   #73
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Sorry the tournament Montreal/Toronto 1968 I find in the media guide of the tournament
http://www.rogerscup.com/men/pdf/GuideMedia_MTL_V4.pdf
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O.k, we now have full 1968. cause Queen's final wasn't played

But now I'm worried of this tournaments after 1990. that V.H mention cause I really thought that will be correct
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I find two mistakes.

Rafael Nadal have 46 titles not 47
In ATP Archive in 1974 Borg have 8 titles so in total he have 64 titles.

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