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Old 05-20-2010, 11:36 AM   #61
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Oh, I am giving myself a break here, just got a PM from an anonymous Romanian poster who was called "a fucking asshole" in a bad rep and she complained to the same admin mentioned in Linky's bad rep to Fiber and she replied, "People get only banned if they wish death on someone"

Awww, how touching. OK now I'm going outside for some fresh air, don't kill each other here

And yep, we are here to control the admins. They do a good job on the overall but not sticking to personal preferences would make them fantastic. I know they're only people but it's not really difficult.
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Old 05-20-2010, 11:40 AM   #62
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Those bans and how much it takes to actually get a ban should be more open information.

I'm guessing that wishing death to somebody is the only thing that can lead you to an instant ban but if you insult somebody, you get some sort of warning. Add enough warnings up and you can get a ban for that as well.

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Those bans and how much it takes to actually get a ban should be more open information.

I'm guessing that wishing death to somebody is the only thing that can lead you to an instant ban but if you insult somebody, you get some sort of warning. Add enough warnings up and you can get a ban for that as well.

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I agree with you that we should make it more clear. You can find some info at this post (B-8)
http://www.menstennisforums.com/showthread.php?t=130284

You guessed right. There's no tolerance to/with that kind of comment and it gets an instant ban, while other offenses are dealt with PM's, warnings and infractions. I hope I could clear something.
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As many posts got deleted here and I have a rep to answer and can't, because I must wait to spread blah blah... yes, I do know what was in that bad rep. LM admitted "though I think it was my counter bad rep to Fiber" - it was in that deleted post. Basically in rude words he called Fiber heterosexual. I agree the way of saying it was rude, yep.

I still think Fiber is a nightmare pansy and a source of all these troubles, while the pansies mods give him the special treatment. Why did he need to comment on Linky in a bad rep to receive his answer? Last person who was able to provoke the shit out of people and get them banned afterwards having no harm himself was safin-rules-no1.

I can be banned myself, I don't care Speaking my mind.
If you knew why LM was banned and knew of his badrep (even if your description of the content is off), then why did you post the message from LM saying he was innocent? It's not like the posters need any more incitement to turn against the mods. If they do it based on actual facts and for proper reasons then okay, but not when the truth is twisted like that.

Pablo was warned numerous times either formally (infracted) or informally, bottom line is he should've known better and at the end of the day he's only suspended for one week. This has nothing to do with FiBeR being a pansy or not and he certainly wouldn't get any special treatment from me, nor from any other mod. If we are to be perceived as biased in certain cases, then we try to stay out of it as much as we can.

At the end of the day each person perceives differently what can be considered an insult, I for one have a thick skin, especially when it comes to mtf stuff, but I understand not everyone does and as Castafiore said above, we can't go unbanning people just because "it was a joke".
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Those bans and how much it takes to actually get a ban should be more open information.

I'm guessing that wishing death to somebody is the only thing that can lead you to an instant ban but if you insult somebody, you get some sort of warning. Add enough warnings up and you can get a ban for that as well.

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Yes, that is basically it. We have been working on ban guidelines, which will be made public once they are finalised pretty soon I would imagine, but we have been using them internally for a while now trying as much as possible to stay consistent. Obviously everyone has their own opinion on that and at the end of the the day no two cases are alike and we can't see every single post, unless it's reported and sometimes if no one is online it takes a while before the posts are dealt with.

So if anyone has any further questions, I'll be more than happy to answer them, but please keep it civil, no need to sling insults all over the place.
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mods deleded my posts, they must be embarrassed, and rightly so
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I didn't say he was innocent and neither he did; his explanation was in the post you deleted, and also his guess what got him banned was correct. His message focused on the whole surrounding.

Basically in the counter bad rep he adviced Fiber to go back to his gf. This is why I said he called him heterosexual. As we know, he used poor wording for expressing that.

Examples from all over MTF show some people are treated better than the others; my example with a Romanian poster being called a "fucking asshole" is just one case of many. And yes, I do think it's a difference between a TT joke recap and calling someone like that (or what LM said) in a bad rep. This is the boarder in joking and I think every sane person is actually able to catch it. I believe the perfect example of joking were the clashes between Jerry and Mistaflava where both loved reporting and bad repping each other with the world's worst words. None of them got a ban for it. Fiber and Pablo were at similar affection level. And yes, this is the joking part. A handicapped person wouldn't only tell the difference from this and a serious offence. Was the other poster of that Argie love affair also infracted several times, or only Pablo? I don't think Excalibur was reporting anything, this is for the start.

I believe the first case of a covered person was its.like.that. I adore him to the core but he avoided permbans thanks to his good relations with bad gambler, it's an open secret. Anyway I'm glad because he sort of grew up and isn't like the old its.like.that anymore.

Yes, you are perceived biased in this direct case. There is a special cure for that - stepping back very, very far. Giving as many chances as possible. Talking. Not sending and infraction and ignoring everything else from that moment on. Asking him, "Do you know what was wrong in your post/rep? Do you know I can ban you for that now?" Giving more chances than possible. I do have a successful mediating history on MTF so I am not a random poster who came to bitch for the sake of it and I actually know how it works in both online and real life communities (being a leader of a group where your close friend or a family member works). Actually, when I happened to run the MTF popularity contest when I was losing to adee-gee Gulzhan by accident voted for him and begged for a change a minute later, but I told her "no vote changing" - even though her mistake was obvious. Or when in the SF by accident I counted myself the votes wrong and lost in the end, I didn't dig it up later on saying, "No I am in the final, there was a mistake." Yes, there was a mistake. But stepping back you will win more respect. And for sure you won't give a reason for people to bash you. I gave those examples just to show I really think these are the good ways of behaviour. Probably no one can deny my "street credential" as Evita called it once .

I especially have a high opinion of Milan, he's a fellow lawyer and a very smart person, certainly aware of the things I said here, as he must negotiate with people on daily basis. I know the mods must stick together outside no matter how much they disagree inside, but I hope this voice in the discussion is a valuable one, because at this moment I stopped the trolling. I am very glad you are working on a better transparency program - I am certain it will help a lot.
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bring on some porcorn/beers at least next time folks
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So wishing death on someone is the ultimate insult get a life peeps, there are way worse behaviour on here that remain unpunished
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Hi JM They banned a Fedfan, may I interview you for an opinion on that issue?
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This was a good site....a very long time ago....
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Hi JM They banned a Fedfan, may I interview you for an opinion on that issue?
What a surprise... For instance I think the mods could/should warn/ban people sending porn pics via PM, instead of stalking Fed fans
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This was a good site....a very long time ago....
right when Mustafa was banned
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OMG I've never had more fun on MTF than on the night with Mustafa
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I guess I could still report them now

Obviously I won't bother since I'm against any ban of any sort
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