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Old 06-03-2012, 01:08 AM   #901
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Can we imagine France, Germany, Italy, the Netherlands, Belgium, Luxembourg being prepared on a matter of importance to them in the national or international sphere, to do something that appeared wrong to them, merely because others had ordered them to do so? Would the peoples of France, of Germany, of Italy, of the Netherlands, of Belgium or of Luxembourg ever dream of submitting to laws passed by foreign parliamentarians if such laws ran counter to their deepest convictions? Clearly not.
I would disagree with Monsieur de Gaulle. In democracy, our governments defend policies that almost half of the population does not support, both domestically and internationally, all the time.

The key issue is just to see yourself as a European, and then just accept the rules of the game, like you accept them at the National level.

Myself, I have no problems when the European Commission or the European Parliament disagree with me or my country (more often with the latter). I think the advantages outweigh the problems.
Just like at the national level submitting to the majority is also more advantageous than just dividing the country until you find a unit that perfectly agrees on everything.
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I would disagree with Monsieur de Gaulle. In democracy, our governments defend policies that almost half of the population does not support, both domestically and internationally, all the time.

The key issue is just to see yourself as a European, and then just accept the rules of the game, like you accept them at the National level.

Myself, I have no problems when the European Commission or the European Parliament disagree with me or my country (more often with the latter). I think the advantages outweigh the problems.
Just like at the national level submitting to the majority is also more advantageous than just dividing the country until you find a unit that perfectly agrees on everything.

couldn't agree more!
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I would disagree with Monsieur de Gaulle. In democracy, our governments defend policies that almost half of the population does not support, both domestically and internationally, all the time.

The key issue is just to see yourself as a European, and then just accept the rules of the game, like you accept them at the National level.

Myself, I have no problems when the European Commission or the European Parliament disagree with me or my country (more often with the latter). I think the advantages outweigh the problems.
Just like at the national level submitting to the majority is also more advantageous than just dividing the country until you find a unit that perfectly agrees on everything.
Finally a sensible post.
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Old 06-05-2012, 05:24 PM   #904
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Of course our governments and MP's are unpopular in Europe, they're just implementing what is decided at European level on every key issue and transcripting Euro directives into national laws.

EU is sinking us all. You should have shit in your eyes if you don't notice it.

Just because it's hard to govern countries of 10 to 80M inhabitants is no reason for creating a shaggy, shapeless mastodon with no feel and no soul, which is even less governable.


Feeling European? I'd rather die. Why should I feel more sympathies with Estonians than with Congolese? Why should my money help those countries develop and not African countries? Estonians and me do not share the same value(they're officially celebrating Waffen SS every year), do not speak the same language as me (while Congolese do and thereby help promoting our culture), do not have the same economic interest and have never been linked to my country in history.


The only common point between all EU state members is that their population are WHITE SKINNED in their majority. Which shows that the EU is simply a racialist construction that fits into the Clash of Civilizations theory. The hell with it.



What we need do is not dissolving the euro, which is gonna happen anyway but the EU. Since the Lisbon Treaty, it's possible to do it with the help of Article 50. If an article makes it possible for a member state to exit it, that says a lot. It should be taken seriously.

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Old 06-05-2012, 09:54 PM   #905
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Of course our governments and MP's are unpopular in Europe, they're just implementing what is decided at European level on every key issue and transcripting Euro directives into national laws.

EU is sinking us all. You should have shit in your eyes if you don't notice it.

Just because it's hard to govern countries of 10 to 80M inhabitants is no reason for creating a shaggy, shapeless mastodon with no feel and no soul, which is even less governable.


Feeling European? I'd rather die. Why should I feel more sympathies with Estonians than with Congolese? Why should my money help those countries develop and not African countries? Estonians and me do not share the same value(they're officially celebrating Waffen SS every year), do not speak the same language as me (while Congolese do and thereby help promoting our culture), do not have the same economic interest and have never been linked to my country in history.


The only common point between all EU state members is that their population are WHITE SKINNED in their majority. Which shows that the EU is simply a racialist construction that fits into the Clash of Civilizations theory. The hell with it.



What we need do is not dissolving the euro, which is gonna happen anyway but the EU. Since the Lisbon Treaty, it's possible to do it with the help of Article 50. If an article makes it possible for a member state to exit it, that says a lot. It should be taken seriously.

The single most stupid post EVER!!! Congratulations! You've successfully graduated from the idiots academy!!!
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Old 06-07-2012, 01:07 AM   #906
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Feeling European? I'd rather die. Why should I feel more sympathies with Estonians than with Congolese? Why should my money help those countries develop and not African countries? Estonians and me do not share the same value(they're officially celebrating Waffen SS every year), do not speak the same language as me (while Congolese do and thereby help promoting our culture), do not have the same economic interest and have never been linked to my country in history.
That is a very good question, and the answer is clearly not race, as you point out below.

I think it is fairly clear that Europeans share more values with other Europeans than with Africans.
By and large, we accept capitalism, with some government intervention, and a level of taxation somewhat higher than in other places in order to have some sort of social safety net.
Socially, we have similar (compared to other regions of the world) attitudes towards women, children, people of different race or different sexual orientation.

I am happy to write all these values (especially the economic ones, where we are closer) into a common set of laws, and argue about the details continent-wide.
I am happy to debate if the right size of Government is that of France's or Britain's (personally, I welcome the influence of the more free-market countries like Britain or Netherlands in the economic discussion), and harmonize to some degree our taxes and regulations so that we have a fully developed common market for services, financial transactions and others.

It reminds me of the quarrels that the federalists and those advocating for state rights had during the founding of the USA.
Do you imagine if the 51 states in the USA each had its own currency, central bank, army and set of regulations?
They would probably not have a GDP per capita (on average) exceeding that of almost every European country.

With that said, it is probably true that we (as in "most of the Europeans") are not fully ready to take most decisions at the European level yet.
But I think aspiring to is in our best interest.


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The only common point between all EU state members is that their population are WHITE SKINNED in their majority. Which shows that the EU is simply a racialist construction that fits into the Clash of Civilizations theory. The hell with it.
As I explained above, I disagree with race being the only common point in the EU, but if that were the case, then I'd fully agree with the sentiment of "The hell with it"
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Old 06-07-2012, 01:09 PM   #907
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Meet the brand new Greek congressman from the New Dawn neonazi party.



Call me immature, but I'd personally love to stop financing that complete mess of a country with my hard-earned money.
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Here in the good old USA big time financial fraud is never prosecuted. Our bankers can loot the USA, the world and their own institutions with impunity. In return, our politicians bail out the banks and appoint the crooks to positions of power at the Federal Reserve and Treasury. I am a former federal bank examiner and fraud investigator who resigned because my FDIC superiors were crooks.

I recommend reading "The Two Trillion Dollar Meltdown" by Charles Morris and "Predator Nation" by Charles H. Ferguson. Also watch the academy award winning documentary "Inside Job" also by Charles H. Ferguson.

People need to understand the dependency between the politicians of both parties and financial crooks. Politicians are judged by GDP growth which has been inflated massively by phony financial institution income. In short, we have a ponzi economy. If financial crime were prosecuted GDP would fall greatly but the economy would be much better off.

Friends, the end game in all this will not be pretty.

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Meet the brand new Greek congressman from the New Dawn neonazi party.



Call me immature, but I'd personally love to stop financing that complete mess of a country with my hard-earned money.
I saw that too.

That's how you deal with the lefto morons.
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Here is the good old USA big time financial fraud is never prosecuted. Our bankers can loot the USA, the world and their own institutions with impunity. In return, our politicians bail out the banks and appoint the crooks to positions of power at the Federal Reserve and Treasury. I am a former federal bank examiner and fraud investigator who resigned because my FDIC superiors were crooks.

I recommend reading "The Two Trillion Dollar Meltdown" by Charles Morris and "Predator Nation" by Charles H. Ferguson. Also watch the academy award winning documentary "Inside Job" also by Charles H. Ferguson.

People need to understand the dependency between the politicians of both parties and financial crooks. Politicians are judged by GDP growth which has been inflated massively by phony financial institution income. In short, we have a ponzi economy. If financial crime were prosecuted GDP would fall greatly but the economy would be much better off.

Friends, the end game in all this will not be pretty.
once upon a time the most prestigious parts of town were inhabited by doctors, professors, generally speaking they were people who were an important function in society...

today, in many westernised countries, these parts of town are now inhabited by what is known as the Ponzi Class...
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i wonder what i must feel like to be spanish these days. the national team about to make history, rafa killing everything in sight, yet its economy hitting rock bottom. chances are spain might be the final curtain for the emu.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-0...s-worsens.html

Spain Seeks $125 Billion Bailout As Bank Crisis Worsens
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At least Spaniards get the right threads.

Imagine what it must be like being a Spaniard working and paying taxes in Germany. Finally escaping the mess only to end up paying for it. The ultimate patriot... Worst of all, it's not the people who are getting the money, but the banks. As a sort of reward for being the biggest crooks ever known to man.

As long as the Spanish and Italian governments manage to get their own stuff together, the EMU has a chance. If one of them doesn't (forget about both), it's game over.
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in 2009 i was about to short spanish banks, highly leveraged, as they seemed broken beyond repair. hardly anyone took this stand, most people were still thinking spain's banks would make it. too bad i didn't act on it, what a waste.

now i'm massively short french and german banks. the last dominoes to fall until the ecb will make the fed look like a tiny fringe central bank.
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ah sweet, now that spain got a deal with bascially no strings attached ireland wants to renegotiate its deal too. it don't get better than this. shit is truly gonna hit the fan within the next couple of months.
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in 2009 i was about to short spanish banks, highly leveraged, as they seemed broken beyond repair. hardly anyone took this stand, most people were still thinking spain's banks would make it. too bad i didn't act on it, what a waste.

now i'm massively short french and german banks. the last dominoes to fall until the ecb will make the fed look like a tiny fringe central bank.
In fairness, the classic and big Spanish banks (BBVA, Santander) are all right. It's the mostly regionally-controlled and pseudo-amateur cajas de ahorros (Sparkassen) that have screwed up big time.
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