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Old 01-25-2012, 11:56 AM   #661
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Incredible thread. Very interesting perspectives. Many here suffering from analysis paralysis.
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Old 01-25-2012, 06:18 PM   #662
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if anyone would like to read a unique Irish perspective, here you go...

http://bocktherobber.com/2012/01/imf...to-euro-crisis
A disgusting spectacle, the Dublin government guaranteeing the banking clowns. Iceland seems to be doing okay after telling the banksters to p**s off.
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Old 01-26-2012, 12:42 AM   #663
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Incredible thread. Very interesting perspectives. Many here suffering from analysis paralysis.
oh yeah...? care to share your thoughts...?
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Old 01-26-2012, 01:34 AM   #664
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S&P is going to downgrade French triple A and several other European countries.
this pretty much sums up what i think of ratings agencies...

http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion...t-6275084.html

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Old 01-26-2012, 11:41 AM   #665
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http://bocktherobber.com/2012/01/imf...to-euro-crisis
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The real disaster is that the cash is gone. It's been handed over to the investors who couldn't believe their luck that some idiot was going to cover the losses they'd already written off. If we had declined to take these losses onto ourselves, nothing at all would have happened. In this respect, Anglo and Nationwide were no different from a company making engines or matchsticks. Private companies go bust all the time. Ireland's credit rating would not have been reduced, since the liabilities were those of two private corporations and there was absolutely no reason why any government should take them over.
i wonder why the irish don't step up. even icelanders started raising hell in reykjavik once it became clear what their financial wizards had done to the economy. you'd think the whole occupy-movement would be a major force in ireland. why do people in ireland swallow all the crap that's rammed down their throats? why go down without a fight?
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Old 01-26-2012, 10:15 PM   #666
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http://www.economist.com/blogs/graph...-11?fsrc=gn_ep

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Which emerging economies have the most monetary and fiscal firepower?
great chart, embedding doesn't work though.

i didn't know peru was doing so well. and india's quite a mystery, being up there with shitholes like egypt.
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Very surprised Brazil so bad. Thought they had plenty of room to lower interest rates. Their central bank was notoriously tight.

These are only emerging economies. Would like to know how America and Europe compare.
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i wonder why the irish don't step up. even icelanders started raising hell in reykjavik once it became clear what their financial wizards had done to the economy. you'd think the whole occupy-movement would be a major force in ireland. why do people in ireland swallow all the crap that's rammed down their throats? why go down without a fight?
i wonder also... perhaps it is a mentality not liberated from the years the population was forced into submission from a few different entities... church, state and imperialists...
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http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/...80S0HO20120129

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Germany: Greece should give up budget control
i don't like this one bit. it's gonna backfire in all kinds of ways, politically and economically. let them go bankrupt, by now most banks will have taken safety precautions.

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good lord, so we're really gonna be the enforcer here? greece, portugal, italy? what else, spain? then france?

this CANNOT end well.
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Typical Germany, thinking they can tell everyone how to live. It's in their blood and it's where America got its own interventionist mentality from (20% Americans are German descendants).

Such a shame. Will probably be the euro's downfall.
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i don't wanna bail them out, i don't wanna pay for them, i don't wanna tell them how to live, i don't wanna tell them what to do. i wanna leave them alone. and i want them to leave me alone.
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i don't wanna bail them out, i don't wanna pay for them, i don't wanna tell them how to live, i don't wanna tell them what to do. i wanna leave them alone. and i want them to leave me alone.
Wish more Germans were like you.
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most are. most are all for europe but zero for the euro.
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