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Old 04-04-2010, 01:58 AM   #256
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sure, but i like looking deeper than "he just lost "

how could play so much worse in Miami than Indian wells after saying he's play alot of practise in between

my theory is the lack of serious matches - that is why he lost those matches to bag and berdych ... he was hopeless on every big point.. what more do you need highlighted when you lose 2 matches on the trot when you had MP's and how many bp's did he blow with awful tentative play

you could say he was unlucky to miss Dubai because of "the illness" .. but maybe that wouldnt have happened had he played Rotterdam or made a trip for davis cup in the 1st place rather than cry it off all the time

and now he's away on another month long break, estoril being more important to him than 1000 event in monte carlo - and that is a bizarre scheduling, when does he ever play 3 weeks in a row.. which is what he's signed up for
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How could this year be more of a horror house than the year of the Canas defeats - and Fed was pretty much in his peak year then. Unfortunately he's created his own monster called consistency, and even some of his fans have come to believe that that's the norm for tennis players. I'm just grateful that it's only towards the end of his extraordinary career that I'm finally experiencing what so many millions of fans go through with their favourite players - and I can sure live with that.
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Eliminé du tournoi de Miami, Roger Federer n'a pas perdu de temps pour changer de surface et a vite retrouvé la terre battue. Ses fans de Facebook ont été les premiers informés.

«J'ai repris sur terre.» Par ces quelques mots lapidaires, le Suisse Roger Federer a prévenu ses fans via sa page Facebook qu'il avait retrouvé la terre battue lors d'un entraînement en Floride au lendemain de sa défaite face à Tomas Berdych au tournoi de Miami. Federer prépare la saison de terre battue qu'il débutera le 25 avril, à Rome. Il a en effet choisi de faire l'impasse sur le tournoi de Monte-Carlo (12-18 avril).

Tenant du titre à Roland-Garros, le recordman de victoires en Grand Chelem (16) annonce donc la couleur à quelques semaines du tournoi de la Porte d'Auteuil. Enfin en quelque sorte, car pour l'heure, c'est sur de la terre battue aux teintes grise et verte qu'il s'entraîne, loin de l'ocre du Court Philippe-Chatrier.

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Seriously though, he did say that he needs to practice more and from his interviews, the losses at IW and Miami hurt. What more do fans want from him?
My concern is simple : he had given me a lot of hope in Indian Wells and I was just much disappointed about the very bad Federer I saw in Miami.

Also, what I've thought for one year, is that sooner or later, being a father would affect his game, esp as he says he's always slept a lot and it was vital for him, and he's said since then when he's not the day before a match, he sleeps beside his children.

As the lung infection didn't come from his trip to Ethiopia from what he said, it may well come from one of his children.

And the sleepy Federer we saw in Miami it may well come from an ill child as well imo

Well, of course it's great having children and being happy in personal life, but for sure I thought it would affect his game sooner or later, and it's the first time maybe where we may have seen this.

More developed about his game :

in Indian Wells, he came back from lung infection, but he gave me real hope about his tennis there, as he looked very dynamic and hungry for tennis.

Baghdatis had to play a huge huge match to beat him, and Fed was quite unlucky on a few poins there.

After that match, he said "I need to play many practice sets" : once again it gave me a lot of hope, as he sounded once again hungry for tennis.

And what did I see in Miami ? a sleepy lazy player, much worse than in Indian Wells

Well he fought back in his match against Berdych and he could have won it, but overall, he played worse than in Indian Wells.

In Indian Wells, he had all the reasons to play badly coming back from lung infection.

But after giving so much hope, it was really disappointing the way he played in Miami.

He lost a good opportunity in Miami to ensure far more about Sampras's record.

As now on clay it will be much harder for him than it was in Miami with all these top-players in bad form.

I know some will say that Berdych reached the final in Miami, not Baghdatis, but against Federer, Baggy played better than Berdych did, that's the only point counting.

In Indian Wells, he had all of my excuses granted but in Miami, considering what he had said before and the way he played, it was hugely disappointing.

As for the debate "motivatd for MS tournaments" or not, I think the key is preparation, not motivation. And that the losses to Benneteau and Baghdatis were not at all shameful imo, those to Berdych and Tsonga were truly shameful imo.
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Among the spectators watching Andy Roddick beat Rafael Nadal was Tiger Woods’ wife, Elin Nordegren, and their son Charlie. She sat under an awning in club seats near the players’ lounge at the Key Biscayne, Florida, facility, while Charlie stood on his mom’s lap. Nordegren was not wearing a wedding ring. Woods has been at the tournament in the past to root for his friend, Roger Federer. Nordegren and her son dined with Federer, his wife Mirka and their twin girls, Myla Rose and Charlene Riva. A witness said Nordegren entered the Key Biscayne tennis center with two bodyguards and that she had also watched a women’s match between Belgians Kim Clijsters and Justine Henin.

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How could this year be more of a horror house than the year of the Canas defeats - and Fed was pretty much in his peak year then. Unfortunately he's created his own monster called consistency, and even some of his fans have come to believe that that's the norm for tennis players. I'm just grateful that it's only towards the end of his extraordinary career that I'm finally experiencing what so many millions of fans go through with their favourite players - and I can sure live with that.
I could not agree more with what you've said ... I get tired of posts barracking Roger for not doing this/not doing that. Didn't expect him to win either IW or Miami - maybe a little disappointed that he didn't at least get to the s/f .. but no big deal as far as I'm concerned. If I was an Andy Murray fan I'd probably be really downcast
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I could not agree more with what you've said ... I get tired of posts barracking Roger for not doing this/not doing that. Didn't expect him to win either IW or Miami - maybe a little disappointed that he didn't at least get to the s/f .. but no big deal as far as I'm concerned. If I was an Andy Murray fan I'd probably be really downcast
After my initial disappointment: +1.
He tried his best, he lost. It happens. Might be a good idea to get used to it a little more in the upcoming months/years.

As long as he does well at the slams, and even more, manages to crack Sampras' #-of-weeks-at-#1-record, I think all's well. Although I fully admit that for that latter goal, he'd better get his stuff together during the clay season, or else...

Would be mighty horrible to see him end up his run at some 285 weeks or so, even the more because I think this is might well be his ultimate chance of beating that record. Don't see him do it thereafter.
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My concern is simple : he had given me a lot of hope in Indian Wells and I was just much disappointed about the very bad Federer I saw in Miami.

Also, what I've thought for one year, is that sooner or later, being a father would affect his game, esp as he says he's always slept a lot and it was vital for him, and he's said since then when he's not the day before a match, he sleeps beside his children.

As the lung infection didn't come from his trip to Ethiopia from what he said, it may well come from one of his children.

And the sleepy Federer we saw in Miami it may well come from an ill child as well imo

Well, of course it's great having children and being happy in personal life, but for sure I thought it would affect his game sooner or later, and it's the first time maybe where we may have seen this.

More developed about his game :

in Indian Wells, he came back from lung infection, but he gave me real hope about his tennis there, as he looked very dynamic and hungry for tennis.

Baghdatis had to play a huge huge match to beat him, and Fed was quite unlucky on a few poins there.

After that match, he said "I need to play many practice sets" : once again it gave me a lot of hope, as he sounded once again hungry for tennis.

And what did I see in Miami ? a sleepy lazy player, much worse than in Indian Wells

Well he fought back in his match against Berdych and he could have won it, but overall, he played worse than in Indian Wells.

In Indian Wells, he had all the reasons to play badly coming back from lung infection.

But after giving so much hope, it was really disappointing the way he played in Miami.

He lost a good opportunity in Miami to ensure far more about Sampras's record.

As now on clay it will be much harder for him than it was in Miami with all these top-players in bad form.

I know some will say that Berdych reached the final in Miami, not Baghdatis, but against Federer, Baggy played better than Berdych did, that's the only point counting.

In Indian Wells, he had all of my excuses granted but in Miami, considering what he had said before and the way he played, it was hugely disappointing.

As for the debate "motivatd for MS tournaments" or not, I think the key is preparation, not motivation. And that the losses to Benneteau and Baghdatis were not at all shameful imo, those to Berdych and Tsonga were truly shameful imo.
All good points but as Fed scales back his tennis life, I think it is best for his fans to scale back expectations accordingly.

The peaks years when consistency was the norm is now more an exception than the rule. It doesn't matter why that happened (bad preparation, laziness, life outside tennis, being a father, the rest of the field catching up etc., etc.).

Personally, I enjoy it when he does well (like AO 2010) and when he does badly, I briefly feel bad that I can't see more of his matches and move on to watch other players in that tournament.

Fed is going to have pockets of good form nowadays and the only thing I hope is that a pocket of good form coincides with two weeks at a GS. Anyway, he has exceeded my expectations for this year by winning a GS so anything else is a bonus.
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have to agree w rofe... people who still expect Rogi to win titles, many titles, incl. slams, easily, are being unrealistic or in denial... of course as he gets older, Rogi will not be at the same high level he had been in the past, esp the level of 2004-2006 even 2007 -- Rogi has so much tennis in him since 2002, it's impossible for him to continue winning and winning -- he's older, he cannot maintain a high level to the end of his career, whenever that may be... and younger players are stronger and faster while some players his age or just a little younger are finally starting to beat him (altho some only once in a while and not consistently)

Rogi himself has said that it's not easy winning a slam... it is, in fact, becoming more difficult to win one, which is normal... he will have to constantly adjust and adjust... his prep, his tactics... we s be thankful that Rogi has won AO10 -- at least he has a slam this year so far -- it's his extra insurance slam

anything else he wins is gravy... of course Rogi still has his goals, which is a good thing -- means he's still motivated and still feels he can win big titles -- once he loses the motivation, that will signal the true end of his career

so, enjoy while you can... even in matches where he lost, i.e., Miami10 R16 to Berdych, Rogi still produces amazing shots! just not as many these days

I am w rofe in that Rog has exceeded expectations by winning AO10... after he lost USO09 to DelPo (in five sets), as usual, people/media were once again writing him off...

any tournament Rogi enters, he wants to win, no matter whether it is an optional or a slam... he always wants to put himself in a position to win... but now his health, since the mono, is becoming more of an issue and this recent lung infection was a big setback as Rogi was going to play Dubai... instead he lost valuable preparation and fitness, the result of which we saw in IW and Miami and now he has not been able to gain enough matchplay for the clay season

if people expect Rogi to just win the calendar slam, they are only voicing their hopes and wishes, not seeing reality; of course if anyone can do it, it w be Rogi but I feel that winning 2 of 4 slams in 09 and making the final of the other two pretty well equals a slam today... the fact that nobody has won the grand slam proves how difficult it is and perhaps it's impossible...

anyway, enough of the greed... enjoy Rog while you can and I suggest you buy some of his best matches from the past 9 or so years and have fun charting Rogi's rise over the years!

I count myself fortunate to be able to watch Rogi play tennis "the way it should be played" (as Rochey said)... such genius and beauty only come along once in about 100,000 years
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exactly : "once he loses the motivation, that will signal the true end of his career" : exactly.

And I read his interviews in the beginning of this year in French newspaper "L'Equipe".

One deep source of motivation for him is still number 1 ranking

He hopes beating Sampras's record of course, he also hopes staying number 1 until the end of the year.

And that's probably the reason why he also said that he wanted to win more in non-grand slam tournaments.

Here I just repeat what he said

Which means that he had motivation for that.

And as you said, motivation is the real main source of his longevity.

And the number 1 is actually in danger.

Even the number 1 weeks record is in danger, and it's not the first time actually that Fed would fail just ahead of a record, remember when he lost to Canas everybody thought that he was really going to beat Vilas's consecutive wins record.

Anyway I don't care so much about the record but more about "staying number 1", which seems to be a big source of motivation for him. Remember how he was after he lost it after Wimbledon 2008, esp during summer hardcourt season.

Fortunately for him, his main competitors have failed here and there.

But he has lost great opportunities : if he had just played in Miami as he did in Indian Wells, I guess he had a great opportunity.

I just say it's a pity

My main concen is that : in his interviews in the beginning of the year, he was in a good way for his motivation, such a way which can help him keep on and keep on ... but when it's finished, surely we will go to another phase of his carreer.

A phase which I hoped would only happen in 2011.

Of course I don't expect a calendar grand slam or domination like in the past.

But I just hope he keeps on this way of motivation a little bit ... and for that, the key imo is the number 1, which is from his words crucial for him.

He still has great opportunities to keep it, but he lost great ones in IW and Miami.

Now it's all on clay, and dear, the efforts he has to do there are far bigger than those he should have done in IW and Miami.

In the coming period, he has no margin at all, in the coming period I wouldn't reproach at all from him any defeats, but in that period, he's in real huge danger.

If he had just taken a little bit advance, it might have been very helpful in the end.

Now we will see soon : his clay results depend mostly on a huge preparation as last year, we will see if he does that preparation.

Motivation is the key, you're absolutely right, and once it's lost, we will have lost a lot. Just keeping on a few months that's all I ask ... of course Nadal might stop all that, but it seems that this year is still possible as his competitors don't bring me much confidence, esp for Wimbledon.

You know, I'm nearly 40 years old : I think that what "usual workers" experience approaching 40 is quite like what "old players" experience around 30. I know about losing motivation Once it's gone, it's hard to get back, you have other things to think than about "competition" (or "competitive work" in my case), including children and so on ... and the loss of motivation can last for long.
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