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Old 02-13-2010, 06:49 PM   #1
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Default Is it better for the legacy of a player like Federer....

...to reach a tournament final and lose it than it would be to lose in the semis of that tourney?

I've often thought about this. I think that a top player's record in finals is important given that it shows the mental fortitude of the player to confront a tense and important moment which is full of expectations of success. Plus, it is normally mentally tougher to cope for a player who has won so much already to see himself losing in the final after being only one match away from winning the whole thing...
On the other side there are of course more ATP points to be gained for reaching a final... That's always a plus.
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Old 02-13-2010, 07:12 PM   #2
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Fed has choked quite a bit of those slam finals away. Could u imagine he would have won the majority of the slam finals he lost? he would be damn near on 30 slams. Wimbledon, all those French Opens, the Australian, the USO.
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Final losers are remembered more often than semi-final losers
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only MTF-lunatics think that it's more impressive not to reach a final than to lose a final...
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Lendl 8-11 in slam finals. Would he be better remembered with 8-4 finals record?
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according to MTF logic it's better to lose to a mug in the first rounds than losing in the final to a good player
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As long as his finals record remains positive, I doubt it matters much what he does from now on. He's got very little to prove if anything at all.
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Federer is perhaps the first and only player in history of this sport unto whom this kind of questions could be raised. GOAT. Period. End of discussion.
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Fed has choked quite a bit of those slam finals away. Could u imagine he would have won the majority of the slam finals he lost? he would be damn near on 30 slams. Wimbledon, all those French Opens, the Australian, the USO.
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He "choked"????

What slam finals did he choke away? He lost 3 times to Nadal at RG. Nadal is a better clay court player than Federer, so those arent chokes. They are just the expected result. He lost to Nadal at Wimbledon in 2008, but I would hardly call coming back from 2 sets down to almost win a choke. His loss to Del Potro last year was not a choke either. His serve wasn't on, but otherwise he played quite well; Del Potro was just played exceptionally well. The only one you could possibly call a choke is the 2009 Australian Open where he had outplayed Nadal going into the 5th set and then folded. Should Federer have won that one? Yeah, he shouldve. He actually won more points than Nadal did in that match, But over the course of a 5 set match, players frequently have a set where their level drops a lot. That just happened to occur to Federer in the 5th set.
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Not enough Federer and Nadal threads there needs to be more.
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I definitely would have preferred Gaba winning as he needs the points much more, but Jan would have beaten him anyway. I expect Hajek to destroy Machado, like 6-1 6-2.
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Old 02-13-2010, 10:57 PM   #11
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You are an idiot.

He "choked"????

What slam finals did he choke away? He lost 3 times to Nadal at RG. Nadal is a better clay court player than Federer, so those arent chokes. They are just the expected result. He lost to Nadal at Wimbledon in 2008, but I would hardly call coming back from 2 sets down to almost win a choke. His loss to Del Potro last year was not a choke either. His serve wasn't on, but otherwise he played quite well; Del Potro was just played exceptionally well. The only one you could possibly call a choke is the 2009 Australian Open where he had outplayed Nadal going into the 5th set and then folded. Should Federer have won that one? Yeah, he shouldve. He actually won more points than Nadal did in that match, But over the course of a 5 set match, players frequently have a set where their level drops a lot. That just happened to occur to Federer in the 5th set.




Ehh shut up Federphile... If you dont like what I have to write, fake it and pretend Im Mirka. Alot of his losses at the slams were mental no doubt about it. A major problem is his serve falls apart... How many times has it happened against Rafa? Just happened last Australian Open... It happened last year against Del Potro. Had his serve not of fallen apart theres two slams right there. How about his AO 2005 Australian match? That was his to win. It went down to the wire with Safin.



Ohh but I course I forgot.. Youre a Federphile. Fed could possibly NEVER of choked in his career Everything he does is perfect. He has never had a mental collapse or played a bad match. And people call sampras fans biases. Hell even I will admit Sampras choke his share of a few matches away. Just Federer's serve going to shit is a clear indication that his nerves were being challenge along with his mind. Its happened how many times against Rafa?
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See this is why I hate arguing with Fed fanatics. Fed NEVER has mental and clutch issues.. His nerves have NEVER affected him. When Nadal starts beating him it was the "ohh Federer is just way passed his prime so thats not fair." Yet at the same time hes reaching every slam final there is.
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16-6 is a pretty damn good record in slams. I don't understand the point of this thread. Federer isn't Lendl or Connors. 16-6-6 is an unbelievable record, to reach 28 slam semifinals and win 16 of them is far and away the best record.
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the name of this thread, as said already by others, is Ivan Lendl. All the answers someone need about legacy of a player who lost more finals than won were already answered.
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