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Old 02-11-2010, 05:28 PM   #1
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Default Who has taken more from the other, Roger or Rafa?

Ask the hipothetical question: How would Roger's career be at this point if Rafa didn't exist in the tennis world? He'd probably have between 4 and 6 GS more (has lost 5 GS finals to Nadal & one RG semi) plus potentially two CYGS in 2006 and 2007 (lost in both years the RG final to Nadal but won all the other GS). On top of that, he'd probably have 3 or 4 more MS (has lost 1 MS final in Rome and 3 in Monaco, both MS he's never won) plus maybe one ATP 500 (Dubai 2006 final, lost in 3 sets).
Another thing to be considered is that he would have probably ended 2008 as number 1 in the world so right now he'd arguably have 6 consecutive years as year-end number 1 and this year would be looking for another more to break Sampras' record.

Now let's do the same for Rafa. How well would he have fared without Roger on his way? He'd probably have 2 more Wimby titles plus 2 or 3 more MS (lost Miami 2005, Hamburg 2007 and Madrid 2009, all finals) and maybe 1 or 2 TMC (lost in semis in 2006 and 2007). To top all this, he would have arguably ended 2005, 2006, 2007 and 2009 ranked as the number 1 player in the world making a total of 5 straight years as year-end number 1 and this year he'd be looking to tie Sampras' record.


That said, this is purely hipothetical of course. It can always be argued that the fierce rivalry between this 2 has made both of them better competitors and players and that maybe neither Fed or Rafa would have been as good or ambitious in their careers had they not had to push themselves so much to beat the other. I think there might be some truth in this, especially for Rafa given that I've always thought (and this is just my opinion of course) that having a player so good ahead of him has made him push himself more and more to be better.

In any case, it's still kind of frightening to consider how much Fed has taken away from Rafa and viceversa. It's really quite impressive.
Imagine Fed with 6 consecutive years as number 1, between 20 and 22 GS, about 20 MS and one or two CYGS. That's what you would be tempted to call the undisputed GOAT, no?
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Old 02-11-2010, 05:32 PM   #2
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Good post, I especially agree with this part:

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I think there might be some truth in this, especially for Rafa given that I've always thought (and this is just my opinion of course) that having a player so good ahead of him has made him push himself more and more to be better.
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Old 02-11-2010, 06:01 PM   #3
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Default Re: Who has taken more from the other, Roger or Rafa?

Nadal has basically been screwed over this generation

if Federer didn't exist, nadal would be on 10 slams

probably would have remained mroe healthy because he didnt kill himself trying to get to feds level

probably would have won about 10 RGs in the end

sadly (happily)

nadal will forever be known as just a foot note in the history book

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Old 02-11-2010, 07:27 PM   #4
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Default Re: Who has taken more from the other, Roger or Rafa?

Nadal obviously. If it wasn't for Fed he might've won less. Fed destroyed half the field and then bend over for him in the finals.
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Default Re: Who has taken more from the other, Roger or Rafa?

Nadal has made Fed's backhand better. It seems.

Rafa's taken away the opportunity of CYGS for Roger a couple of times. Roger's stopped Nadal from being a multiple Wimbledon champ. All in all, I think they've contributed to each other's success by being pushed to perform.
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Who cares about what they've "taken" from each other. It's what they've given to each other, us fans, and the sport, that will be their enduring legacy.
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Default Re: Who has taken more from the other, Roger or Rafa?

In tennis slams rule over other tournaments. H2H 6-2 for Nadal at the slams. So obviously Nadal.
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In tennis slams rule over other tournaments. H2H 6-2 for Nadal at the slams. So obviously Nadal.
it's not just tournaments; it's also about number of years ending as number 1 plus some other things.
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Default Re: Who has taken more from the other, Roger or Rafa?

Nadal could have been a lesser Connors. Fed could have been the close-to-indisputable GOAT. So Nadal. Fed had so much more to lose.
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Nadal could have been a lesser Connors. Fed could have been the close-to-indisputable GOAT. So Nadal. Fed had so much more to lose.
I think a Borg comparison is a little more apt, calling him a lesser Connors (when he still yet may achieve more than Connors ever did) is short-suiting him a little. But I agree, Federer, in this hypothetical scenario, has lost more. I mean 2 grand slams, come on. Nadal has stopped Federer from absolutely unprecedented heights.
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It would be interesting to check who took more from the other, at this point, about prize money - especially at finals. They are both "very millionaires" anyway.
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I think a Borg comparison is a little more apt, calling him a lesser Connors (when he still yet may achieve more than Connors ever did) is short-suiting him a little. But I agree, Federer, in this hypothetical scenario, has lost more. I mean 2 grand slams, come on. Nadal has stopped Federer from absolutely unprecedented heights.
If it weren't for Federer, Nadal probably would have been number one at age 19! But Nadal has taken a lot more away from Federer. I'm very grateful for Nadal because Federer has been so dominant as it is. Federer probably would have won 11 straight Grand Slams if it weren't for Nadal (2005 Roland Garros to 2007 US Open inclusive) and that would have driven a lot of people crazy!
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Default Re: Who has taken more from the other, Roger or Rafa?

i think rafa took more from fed than fed did rafa...fed COULD have been undisputed GOAT by a large margin but oh well

only thing fed took from rafa was a few wimbledon titles and a few more MS...

so i'd say the one who beats you in the final takes more from you than the one who loses before he reaches the other
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I believe roger has taken rafas soul and knees.
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