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Old 02-03-2010, 08:10 AM   #1
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The French government has refused to grant citizenship to a foreign national on the grounds that he forced his wife to wear the full Islamic veil. The man, whose current nationality was not given, needed citizenship to settle in the country with his French wife.
But Immigration Minister Eric Besson said this was being refused because he was depriving his wife of the liberty to come and go with her face uncovered.
The full-face covering has inflamed passions in France

Last week, a parliamentary committee proposed a partial ban on full veils.
It also recommended that anyone showing visible signs of "radical religious practice" be refused residence permits and citizenship.
'Integration'
In a statement, Mr Besson said he had signed a decree on Tuesday rejecting a man's citizenship application after it emerged that he had ordered his wife to cover herself with a head-to-toe veil.


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"It became apparent during the regulation investigation and the prior interview that this person was compelling his wife to wear the all-covering veil, depriving her of the freedom to come and go with her face uncovered, and rejected the principles of secularism and equality between men and women," he said.
Later, the minister stressed that French law required anyone seeking naturalisation to demonstrate their desire for integration.
Mr Besson's decree has now been sent to Prime Minister Francois Fillon for approval.
The interior ministry says only 1,900 women wear full veils in France, home to Europe's biggest Muslim minority.
In 2008, a French court denied citizenship to a Moroccan woman on the grounds that her "radical" practice of Islam was incompatible with French values.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8494860.stm



No minarets, no citizenship.... is there going to be a backlash?
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Old 02-03-2010, 11:56 AM   #2
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@ the French and the Swiss governments becoming the toughest in Europe.
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@ the French and the Swiss governments becoming the toughest in Europe.
If this had happened in the US, ''toughest in Europe'' would be replaced by ''racist in the world.''
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Good decision. These type of repressive traditions have no place in the free world.
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If this had happened in the US, ''toughest in Europe'' would be replaced by ''racist in the world.''
But ... but. .. I mean, ... religion is not a race...



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Can't wait to read Tangy's insightful comments on the matter...
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There'd be protests in the streets of Tehran...
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Default Re: France refuses a citizenship over full Islamic veil

There's nothing more disgusting than these Western women who sell out their culture to become muslim wives. They should strip her of her citizenship and kick them out of the country.

Personally, I think all Western societies should enact a similar law to the Expatriation Act of 1907 in order to stop gullible women from allowing Islamic radicals to use them to get into the West.
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@ the French and the Swiss governments becoming the toughest in Europe.
It's not a question about being tough, it's a matter of secularism, one of the French values. If people aren't ok with it, then don't come to France.

Moreoever (I'm not directly talking to you by the way, don't get offended ), I've seen a lot of people critisizing France over this, but... hey, we're one of the two sole host countries in Europe. We grant a LOT of citizenships but no one ever recalls it

Finally, just so you know, French people don't expect people to understand the secularism value, and I'm not sure we care
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I've seen a lot of people critisizing France over this, but... hey, we're one of the two sole host countries in Europe. We grant a LOT of citizenships but no one ever recalls it
what does that even mean?
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It's not a question about being tough, it's a matter of secularism, one of the French values. If people aren't ok with it, then don't come to France.
If you'd said it was a question of identification, I'd be OK. But don't bring me this shit again.

Anyway great decision that probably won't concern more than 3 persons in the whole country. The French definitely are a strange people.
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this in a country that forbids asking people about their race or ethnicity
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this in a country that forbids asking people about their race or ethnicity
It's not forbidden, but it's not taken into account. You should learn from your ignorance and your mistakes
I won't post here anymore, it's pointless and useless especially with some people about whom I reveived comments
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