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Old 12-13-2009, 01:36 PM   #61
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I doubt many people posting on MTF prefer authoritarian regime.
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Old 12-13-2009, 01:37 PM   #62
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myriad just became my second most favorite word. first is palette.
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Depends on who they are Vida.

Lib Dems actually sum up the term liberal quite well. Even then people who actually think there are major differences between major political parties might as well believe the Himalayas are in the Netherlands.

The quiz is a bit outdated and the left/right thing even more so.
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yeah just the quiz is straightforward as they come. no real doubt over the outcome given the particular input. so I guess posters preference here on mtf would more likely be on the south side. esp given the fairly 'liberal' regime of moderation or state of the board.
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Your political compass

Economic Left/Right: -5.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -7.38

And yet you remain every bit as lovable.
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And yet you remain every bit as lovable.
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Political jargon tends to be somewhat Orwellian, especially when applied by leftists. Again, Jimnik, and I don't know whether you've read the particular post in which I first stated this, but it seems as though modern liberals are on a perpetual search for new euphemisms in order to mask their true identity.

Are socialists in the United Kingdom willing to be recognized as such, or is there a myriad of euphemisms intended to mislead the public ?
Must say, never really thought about it before, but "socialism" is a term you very rarely hear in British politics. They talk about class struggles, social responsibility, fairness, equality etc but the term itself rarely seems to be used. It's a bit like America where almost no-one wants to admit that they're a socialist. Republicans and Libertarians use the term very loosely, especially since Obama came to power, but only to get their points across.

Whereas in Germany, for instance, people seem much more open about calling it socialism and calling themselves socialists. The two main left-wing parties here are called "The Socialist Party" and the "Social Democrats". In Britain there's no party with a name like that getting more than 1% of the popular vote.
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good test, appropriate result, pretty much what I would consider myself
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Must say, never really thought about it before, but "socialism" is a term you almost never hear in British politics. They talk about class struggles, social responsibility, fairness, equality etc but the term itself rarely seems to be used. It's a bit like America where almost no-one wants to admit that they're a socialist. Republicans and Libertarians have used the term very loosely, especially since Obama came to power, but only to get their points across.

Whereas in Germany, for instance, people seem much more open about calling it socialism and calling themselves socialists. The two main left-wing parties here are called "The Socialist Party" and the "Social Democrats". In Britain there's no party with a name like that getting more than 1% of the popular vote.
Exactly as I had suspected, the same is true of Italy and the United States. In the case of the former, there are not only self-proclaimed socialists, but devout communists who are unabashedly such, whereas Americans are perennially in search of some new euphemism in order to conceal their political ideology. A combination of three factors converged over a period of years to render the very thought of communism -- or anything associated with it -- unappealing to the average American: McCarthy, Reagan, and the Cold War; however, Republicans have also shamed socialists into doing away with the term liberal, which has led to the adoption of the euphemism "progressive".

What is more, this discussion is interesting because it is based upon more than mere semantics. Indeed, as liberals/socialists have sought to conceal themselves, they have so greatly diluted their ideology that one can no longer compare them to the socialists of Western Europe. Fundamentally, however, these people subscribe to the tenets of socialism. They have only been forced to come to terms with the realization that working class people have come to fear the very ideology that pretends to improve their lives!

Marxism and socialism are founded on what is perceived to be altruism (albeit at the expense of others), yet the working classes will have none of it. In fact, blue collar workers supported George Bush in greater numbers than white collar ones.
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The person who phrased these questions wanted specific answers for each of them.

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You can tell the person who phrased these questions wanted specific answers for each of them.


Trans-national corporations do serve humanity so this is a bull-shit compromise.


Nor do we choose our parents so I guess it's foolish to be proud of them too.


Doubt everyone is aware of the true meaning of Marx's statement.


This is wrong and boils down to a simple interpretation of what "manipulate money and contribute nothing to their society" means. Only banks robbers and computer hackers apply here.


Love the "predator" description, making sure people vote "correctly".
Great eye, reminiscent of a few undergrad exams written by left-leaning professors.
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Wow -- you're far to the right, literally. How'd that happen, Jim ? Strongly agree and strongly disagree ?
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