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11-11-2009, 12:37 PM
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Re: Autumn 2009 - Indoor/Outdoor
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Courteau's laid back manner.
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I see, what would you prefer then?
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11-11-2009, 12:49 PM
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Re: Autumn 2009 - Indoor/Outdoor
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I see, what would you prefer then?
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I don't know really
But I want someone who's not too much older than him, to start with. Someone who can come up with multiple game plans for him. I imagine someone who can sit together with him, watching tennis tapes, analyzing the game together with a glass of wine or something 
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11-11-2009, 01:10 PM
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Re: Autumn 2009 - Indoor/Outdoor
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I honestly am surprised...
that he sticks with Courteau until the end of the season
Time to hire me already, Paulo!
On a serious note, I have never liked the fact that he treats coaches like a tissue paper. Disposable. Changes can be good. But sometimes, it seems like an easy way out. It's like he's not taking responsibility for the results  (And I know most people think that.)
I'd love for him to have a coach that can be tough on him. Someone who can push him more. That would be a nice change.
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The problem for me with Courteau was, didn't he mention from the start that he might be coaching Golovin if she came back to the WTA, or something similar?  (can't quite remember)
The idea of Paulo's coach having him as a sort of 'second choice' never sat well with me.
I'm not sure who would be a good match for him coaching-wise. I never thought Wilander was a good match of player/coach personality either.

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11-11-2009, 01:25 PM
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Re: Autumn 2009 - Indoor/Outdoor
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The problem for me with Courteau was, didn't he mention from the start that he might be coaching Golovin if she came back to the WTA, or something similar?  (can't quite remember)
The idea of Paulo's coach having him as a sort of 'second choice' never sat well with me.
I'm not sure who would be a good match for him coaching-wise. I never thought Wilander was a good match of player/coach personality either.

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Same here...
I actually like Wilander. Maybe because he is Paulo's only coach who talked to us in English 
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11-11-2009, 01:30 PM
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Re: Autumn 2009 - Indoor/Outdoor
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Paul-Henri Mathieu se sépare de Courteau
Entraîné par Loic Courteau depuis un an, Paul-Henri Mathieu a décidé de mettre un terme à leur collaboration. Défait au premier tour à Bercy par Viktor Troicki (7/6 6/3 ab.), l'Alsacien estime avoir réalisé une saison "plate". "Il ne s'est rien passé en fait. Je me demande même comment je peux encore être 33e mondial. J'ai le sentiment de ne pas avoir progressé." La semaine prochaine, Paulo ira défendre son titre à l'Open de Caen avant de définitivement mettre un terme à sa saison. Et de choisir un nouvel entraîneur...
Source: http://www.welovetennis.fr/atp/17263...re-de-courteau
Separating from Courteau!
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It can be expected although i kinda like Courteau. I saw Paulo had quite a few disagreement with Courteau during the training sessions in Shanghai. It seemed that he wasn't fully convinced and persuaded by Courteau to do in his way. I just had the feeling at that time that they could be separated at the end of the season.
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11-11-2009, 01:34 PM
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Re: Autumn 2009 - Indoor/Outdoor
I like Wilander, I just always felt that his approach to tennis was different to Paulo's. And they seem like such different people. I just wasn't convinced that Mats (good a player as he was) was the sort of coach Paulo required to push him on a bit further and get the most out of him as a player.
I'd say he needs a quiet, studious coach-type, someone that can help him out with the tactical and confidence side of the game. I'd like to see him improve his net game too, but I don't see that happening at almost 28 years old
It's frustrating, I guess. I'm not expecting Paulo to be a multiple-slam winner or anything, but I really feel that he has a masters, or a couple of runs to the latter stages at slams, in him. Seeing him come up just that little bit short each time, I wonder if the difference might have been a coach that was a better 'fit' for him.
But, what do I know? 
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11-11-2009, 01:40 PM
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Almost 28 years old.... wow.... it's been almost 8 years since he beat Marat and I fell in love with him his tennis
Yeah, what do we know? (  when the man himself doesn't seem to have a clue either  )
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11-11-2009, 02:08 PM
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Re: Autumn 2009 - Indoor/Outdoor
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But I want someone who's not too much older than him, to start with.
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I don't think so. He is a hard worker by himself, he doesn't need anyone to run with him or join him in the gym. I feel he does this part of the work on his own.
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Someone who can come up with multiple game plans for him. I imagine someone who can sit together with him, watching tennis tapes, analyzing the game together with a glass of wine or something 
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That's exactly what I assumed Courteau would be capable of.
And finally, no Wilander for any French player. 
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11-11-2009, 02:09 PM
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Re: Autumn 2009 - Indoor/Outdoor
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I'd say he needs a quiet, studious coach-type, someone that can help him out with the tactical and confidence side of the game. I'd like to see him improve his net game too, but I don't see that happening at almost 28 years old 
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Courteau did talk a lot to Paulo in the training  trying to persuade him, which is sharply compared with Norman when Paulo was training with Soderling. Norman was quiet, and almost said nothing during the training, but just felt he communicated well with Soderling by understanding with each other.
Net is one of the most difficult tecs to improve, which relies on the born talent and sense a lot. I saw Courteau specially trained Paulo's net, slice, lob a lot, both of them know where Paulo is weak at. But when playing in the matches, his net just back to the original
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It's frustrating, I guess. I'm not expecting Paulo to be a multiple-slam winner or anything, but I really feel that he has a masters, or a couple of runs to the latter stages at slams, in him. Seeing him come up just that little bit short each time, I wonder if the difference might have been a coach that was a better 'fit' for him.
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Yes, he definitely should win much more, some bigger titles, deeper in the slams. I believe once he gets breakthrough in one tournament, such as beating some big player, and win some important matches, he can start stably winning more with big confidence, just like Soderling this year. His talent and tennis is there, and he can play pretty good tennis, just needs an occasion to break "that point", although that's not easy and needs some luck as well.
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11-11-2009, 02:22 PM
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Re: Autumn 2009 - Indoor/Outdoor
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I don't think so. He is a hard worker by himself, he doesn't need anyone to run with him or join him in the gym. I feel he does this part of the work on his own.
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Working out alone can be lonely  It'd be nice to have someone (his age) to talk to. It'll be like hanging out with friends. 
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11-11-2009, 07:00 PM
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Re: Autumn 2009 - Indoor/Outdoor
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I don't know really
But I want someone who's not too much older than him, to start with. Someone who can come up with multiple game plans for him. I imagine someone who can sit together with him, watching tennis tapes, analyzing the game together with a glass of wine or something 
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what does age have to do with it?
http://fr.sports.yahoo.com/11112009/...-courteau.html
"Nous n'avons pas la même philosophie. Je souhaitais qu'il fasse un travail psychologique, dispute moins de tournois pour ne pas finir l'année en lambeaux, qu'il développe un jeu vers l'avant. Il est resté campé sur ses positions", a déclaré Courteau dans les colonnes du quotidien sportif.
there you go about the multiple game plans you just talked about! ^^^
if Roddick of all players can have somewhat of "variety" in his game why can't Mathieu?
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11-11-2009, 07:32 PM
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Re: Autumn 2009 - Indoor/Outdoor
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what does age have to do with it?
if Roddick of all players can have somewhat of "variety" in his game why can't Mathieu?
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It has nothing to do with the game plan part. Most of his previous coaches were old enough to be his dad. Not that there's anything wrong with that  Someone younger can be a change of atmosphere. (I have no idea how to explain my reasons in English  ) I actually thought of DiP.
Roddick has THE serve. With that in the bag, you have more choices to play with.
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11-11-2009, 08:00 PM
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Re: Autumn 2009 - Indoor/Outdoor
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It has nothing to do with the game plan part. Most of his previous coaches were old enough to be his dad. Not that there's anything wrong with that  Someone younger can be a change of atmosphere. (I have no idea how to explain my reasons in English  ) I actually thought of DiP.
Roddick has THE serve. With that in the bag, you have more choices to play with.
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yeah but Mathieu could help himself out by playing more doubles in order to get more at ease at the forecourt.That's why he has horrible record at Wimbledon,for example.I'm just saying 
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11-11-2009, 08:11 PM
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Re: Autumn 2009 - Indoor/Outdoor
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yeah but Mathieu could help himself out by playing more doubles in order to get more at ease at the forecourt.That's why he has horrible record at Wimbledon,for example.I'm just saying 
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I completely agree. But I think it's too little too late now
I don't think he's that horrible on grass 
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11-11-2009, 08:11 PM
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Re: Autumn 2009 - Indoor/Outdoor
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yeah but Mathieu could help himself out by playing more doubles in order to get more at ease at the forecourt.
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I think it is very hard to learn the game at the net, if your inner nature is not oriented towards it. And I also feel it is too much to ask such a change from Paolo, he's not 21 anymore. Why not working his strengths and the serve?
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