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Old 01-28-2010, 12:11 AM   #61
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The 60% of the winnings wouldn't work and I might be wrong (I don't follow womens tennis that much) but isn't one of the main reasons behind Zheng and Li's improvement due to the Chinese Tennis Federation having less involvement in their tennis. And then if they go out on their own they have to pay 6% of their prizemoney which for alot of young guys making their way up would kill them as I'm imagining the handouts they would get from the Chinese Tennis Federation would be very minimal. Plus most importantly their system hasn't reaped rewards on the mens tour.
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Here is the list for the 2010 AIS Athletes. Sounds like from the video on the TA website these kids will get a nice easy run for themselves and their parents financially! Lucky them.


Jason Kubler (Queensland)
Age: 16
Best junior results: currently ranked world number 3; member of 2009 Champion Junior Davis Cup team (undefeated in singles for both this 16/u international teams event, and 14/u equivalent. Only other with this record is Rafael Nadal); Winner of Osaka Mayors Cup (Japan), Asia/Oceania Closed Championships, LTAT Junior Championships (Thailand), NT Junior International.
Best senior results: qualified for Darwin F5

Luke Saville (South Australia)
Age: 16
Best junior results: Member of 2009 Champion Junior Davis Cup team; SF NT International
Best senior results: R32 Darwin F5 (first ATP points obtained at age 15)

Ben Mitchell (Queensland)
Age: 17
Best junior results: Finalist Loy Yang Power Traralgon International (lead-in ITF event to AO Junor Championships); QF AO Junior Championships
Best senior results: QF Bundaberg Futures; Qualified for Futures events in Bendigo, Port Pirie, Darwin, Elche (Spain), Alkmaar (Netherlands)

Joey Swaysland (New South Wales)
Age: 16
Best junior results: Member of 2009 Champion Junior Davis Cup team; SF (singles) and W (doubles) LTAT Junior Championships; QF Asia/Oceania Closed Junior Championships
Best senior results: Qualified F8 Bundaberg

Sean Berman (Victoria)
Age: 17
Best junior results: RU Australian Open Junior Championships
Best senior results: R1 US F18, USA F14; Qualified for F11 Bendigo


Maverick Banes (Queensland)
Age: 17
Best junior results:
Best senior results: Futures: 1r Netherlands F2; 3r Spain F23 qualifying; 2r Netherlands F3 qualifying, Netherlands F10 qualifying; 1r Netherlands F1 qualifying


Andrew McLeod (Queensland)
Age: 16
Best junior results: Winner ITF Gallipoli Youth Cup
Best senior results: 2R Qualifying F7 Happy Valley

Mark Richards (Queensland)
Age: 16
Best junior results: QF NSW ITF; Australian Junior ITF; R16 Oceania Closed Junior Championships
Best senior results: 1R qualifying for Futures events in Spain, France, Netherlands and Australia in 2009

Alex Bolt (South Australia)
Age: 17
Best junior results: RU Darwin ITF; QF NT ITF
Best senior results: R2 Qualifying F8 Port Pirie

Todd Volmari (Australian Capital Territory)
Age: 16
Best junior results: Represented Australia in Jnr Davis Cup Asia/Oceania qualifying; W Optus Nationals
Best senior results: Played qualifying for Futures events in Australia, Spain, France & Netherlands in 2009

James Duckworth (New South Wales)
Age: 18
Best junior results: QF AO Junior Championships; W Loy Yang Power Traralgon International doubles
Best senior results: Qualified for F8 Port Pirie, played qualifying events in Bendigo, Kalgoorlie, Esperance

Andrew Whittington (Victoria)
Age: 16
Best junior results: RU (singles) & W (doubles) LTAT Junior Championships; QF Asia/Oceania Closed Junior Championships
Best senior results: Played qualifying for F11 Bendigo
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WOW,

So a lot of these players have got into the AIS fully funded program based on , well a lot of them very little results. It was only two to three years ago you needed very good mens results, to earn such stripes.
There are many players currently only 6 mths to 3 years older, which have ATP rankings , far better junior and senior results , who have been totally overlooked.

How can Tennis Australia actually justify this. ?
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Okay, I agree with Kubler, Saville, Mitchell, Berman and Swaysland but the rest have done absolutely nothing to warrant selection into AIS. The other 7 players are just your average juniors and there are 50-100 other juniors who are probably at the same level. TA have gone overboard with their youth policy and I don't think pouring money into these juniors is the right way forward.

Also, I can't believe the way they have totally overlooked Mark Verryth. It was just a year ago he was their next big thing and now he's being completely ignored. I guess you have to be ranked in the top 500 by the time you are 17 in order to impress TA . Deadset, how they can fund Duckworth and Whittington, and not Verryth is beyond me.

Reid, Propoggia, Lindner, Crowe and Hubble should certainly be in there and there are about 50 other juniors who are the same level as the 7 players that I don't agree with.

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I agree with you Hewitt=Legend. Some of these kids deserve it but some of them have no results. Especially when you compare them to some of the "slightly" older players who at the same age were winning matches in men's events. How can the criteria change so much? Sounds like who you are coahced by has quite a bit of influence. Duckworth is the oldest at 18. Obviuosly the others you mentioned are too old at 19 and over. What a joke! The ridiculous part is that two years ago they said that the then 16/17 year olds were too young for AIS now they are too old! Also how on earth is Berman able to walk into Australian tennis (where he is still listed on the ITF website as being from USA) and after a couple of months be given a spot in the AIS! TA / AIS demand loyalty and do not give it back! I bet there are quite a few angry parents/players out there atm about that one.
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Seriously it looks like Banes, Mcleod, Richards, Bolt, Volmari, Duckworth and Whittington have just been randomly selected of a extensive list of Australian juniors. Like TA have just closed their eyes and whoever their finger landed on was in.

There are countless players that are of equal standard or better than these ones. I used to play with Matt Barton and James Duckworth and I can tell you right now that Barton has way more potential and at 17 is also younger than Duckworth. Barton has just qualified for Mildurra this week winning 3 matches and plays Propoggia in the 1st round. None of the AIS chosen ones were there and if they were, I doubt they would of even won a match, let alone qualify. Barton has qualified for a few futures now and I think a win and a professional ranking is just around the corner for him. He's also coached by Sandon Stolle and hit with David Ferrer last year in Spain who said he had a great game that was especially good on clay.

So I guess what i'm saying is that Barton has had the same results if not better than some of the AIS funded ones and yet he's not chosen. I could name about 50 more but I really can't be bothered.

Another disgraceful omission in my opinion was James Lemke. He has improved immensely each year and started of this season by qualifying for Auckland (that's right TA an ATP World Tour 250) and pushing top 30 player Albert Montanes in the second set of their match. Oh but he's 21, his career is over isn't it TA .
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yep,

Barton couldnt even get a w/c into Aus Open juniors the year before last , as they gave them all to the young ones, this happened to quite a few of the better players who were top age to play AO, yet left out to give young ones EXPERIENCE, that is disgraceful that these kids work to do well and at top age and with more chance of doing well than the young ones , cannot even get in.

They are going on about Kubler Saville and thos kids winning Junior Davis Cup, but so did players before like Verryth, Sanders and Tomic, I think Sanders gone to college and verryth no funding to help him along. Also at AIS camp you had Marvin Barker, who was ATP 950, made semi of berrie future at 17, Barton, Maraga who is another very good player, Szabo who did well at Aus Open the year before, Hoh who has gone to college as there is no long term support, same for sanders,, Chaplin who at 14 won Euro ETC event , who had great results before going into AIS, then he went backwards on confidence and was dropped.

Yes AIS has not a good track record for looking at players long term. One minute you in the next dropped. Brendon Mcenzie gave up tennis altogether after six mths , that was not long after winning the 18s Nationals to gain AO w/c.

You also have the other great group not much oder, Matt Reid well he has had great results and as junior got to two slam dubs finals, you had easton who won Taralgon Grade 1,
you had Andrew Thomas, who won orange bowl, was a great junior, clifford marslad very talented who on his day beat Tomic,

Now you have TA coming out saying this is the best group in 20 years, well how when you look at the list of results of some of them .

These kids will get the lions share of funding , For everyone else it is pretty much over if you are 18.

Yes they need to look after the youth but to just drop a few generations of players is outrageous, especially when many of these kids supported their squads, paid for their squads, sat at endless meetings at night being TOLD for YEARS they were on the player pathway into the AIS, Many people trusted TA, and this shows you simply can not.

Yes many people are FUMING and rightly so.
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There are also the following players in 1990 age group who are ready to go, they are capable of playing well on senior tour but they are ignored by TA. The only reasons their rankings aren't a bit higher is a combination of lack of funding, minor injuries at inopportune times, family sickness, unlucky drawers etc. To not even consider helping t the following players is lunacy.

Kelly ATP 440
Reid ATP 495
Propoggia ATP 725
Gregory ATP 780
Balakrishnan ATP 783

There is only 1 1990 birth year in top 200 in world (Ruffin) FRA he was around 1119 at start of last year. We have 5 guys who could conceivably have similar results if they are given an opportunity. TA seem to forget that confidence is a major factor in tennis. Alot of players in age group at this stage of proceedings are very similar standard If these guys were spoon fed and given facilities like the chosen few, our tennis landscape could look a lot different. Any one of these guys could soon get on a roll because they've all been doing the hard yards training. Watch this space TA, the next big thing could be sitting right under your nose but you are too caught up in politics to realise.
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Well Barton has just beaten Propoggia 3-6 6-4 6-2 in the 1st round of Mildurra to get his first senior win and atp ranking points. Great work from Matt, he works very hard and deserves this win.

Ace Ventura, I completely forgot about Marsland, Thomas, Sanders and Chaplin, they just seem to have been given up on. You're right our previous successful Davis Cup team, apart from Tomic have been shown the door, what a complete joke. I wonder if this time next year Kubler, Saville and Swaysland will be in the same predicament. Somehow I doubt it.

I know about Mckenzie quitting tennis, it's pretty sad, basically TA kicked him out because of the smallest thing which I won't go into on this forum.

The worst thing from these players points of view is that Tomic will go on to become a huge star, so TA won't realise what crap work their doing now and just think because 1 extraordinary player has made it that these others weren't as good as he was and that they actually gave them a fair go .

I'd been prepared to give TA the benefit of the doubt for a while now but this is to much and I've offically given up hope for them in the present time.
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There are also the following players in 1990 age group who are ready to go, they are capable of playing well on senior tour but they are ignored by TA. The only reasons their rankings aren't a bit higher is a combination of lack of funding, minor injuries at inopportune times, family sickness, unlucky drawers etc. To not even consider helping t the following players is lunacy.

Kelly ATP 440
Reid ATP 495
Propoggia ATP 725
Gregory ATP 780
Balakrishnan ATP 783

There is only 1 1990 birth year in top 200 in world (Ruffin) FRA he was around 1119 at start of last year.
Agreed. It takes longer to crack the top these days and TA should acknowledge this. So many good players born around 1990 are being overlooked despite them being among the best for their age. Sorry to be a nag, but Uladzimir Ignatik is also top 200 (at 185) and was born 14.7.1990 but he's the only other 1990 player (along with Rufin) currently in the top 200.
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Tomic hasn't had to spend 14 hours on a train trip between 2 european cities to qualify at a future tournament and then have his racquet strung like a trampoline by friend of opponent in non english speaking country. Oh the level playing field. This sort of thing doesn't happen to a player in their cotton wool AIS. It's a mean old world out there for the 18-22 year olds trying to make it on their own. That's why some of them take longer to get the results we all hope for. Fingers crossed that some of them come out the other side. Todd Woodbridge made some comment about "tennis backpacker" when commentating during Sydney tournament, the TA system as it stands has created our own group of 'tennis backpackers'. (funded by struggling parents) The administrators are that out of touch it isn't funny any more.

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Yes so many great 1989, 1990, 1991, Players off the radar, I think that was a very strong group, do not know on what basis Todd is saying this new group is the best group in 20 years .
I mean was he around the last 20 years to know all the players... ?

What irritates me the most is when Tiley got in this is the group he had, none of them got into AIS at 14, there was in fact lucky to be a tour a year for these kids, and even then it was usually part subsidized let alone what this new AIS lot are getting. If you watch the video they even flew the parents up for the weekend,,, my goodness how much TA must have for that one group of kids.

The list of players gone by the wayside, from lack of funding , lack of guidance or programs is astounding, it is like mass waste of generations of players.

Yeah Mcenzie gone, the other all struggling to keep up the cost of the sport... many go to college for that reason alone. Heard Barker now plays for NZ, cant blame him ,was 950 when tried out for AIS , was in TA squads for years like, kelly , Reid, Barton ,Szabo, Maraga , Hoh, , chaplin , and goodness know how many others missed out who had better results than who they took, and yes these kids had backpacked their hearts out....

Completely GONE ...wow Nichols, donald ,Mcenzie, heaps of girls just gone and so many more Im sure over the past five years , and when you look at Joe Siriani and what he achieves how can they possible say these kids are to old at 18 to support.

Yep they have Tomic, culd be in trouble for Davis Cup , serves them right for putting so much into one player.
Not that long ago most of these kids were close to Tomic , yet they were not afforded to be coached by who they wanted and funded for it were they, yet look at Tomic's results now. When will TA wake up, if it worked for him when treated properly , it could work for more.

Oh tennis Australia, how cruel . The fact they tell the public will have to wait another 5 or 10 years for players is their choice, it is not that we didn't have the stock.
It is that they didn't do it. Full stop.

Does any one know of another country who comes out and says oh it will take five to ten years to get players ?? Seriously , they have already had five under the new rulers. !!
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Agreed. It takes longer to crack the top these days and TA should acknowledge this. So many good players born around 1990 are being overlooked despite them being among the best for their age. Sorry to be a nag, but Uladzimir Ignatik is also top 200 (at 185) and was born 14.7.1990 but he's the only other 1990 player (along with Rufin) currently in the top 200.
TA only wants to get rid of that batch of players and look to the new. Ignatik is a early maturer as well!

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Tomic hasn't had to spend 14 hours on a train trip between 2 european cities to qualify at a future tournament and then have his racquet strung like a trampoline by friend of opponent in non english speaking country. Oh the level playing field. This sort of thing doesn't happen to a player in their cotton wool AIS. It's a mean old world out there for the 18-22 year olds trying to make it on their own. That's why some of them take longer to get the results we all hope for. Fingers crossed that some of them come out the other side. Todd Woodbridge made some comment about "tennis backpacker" when commentating during Sydney tournament, the TA system as it stands has created our own group of 'tennis backpackers'. (funded by struggling parents) The administrators are that out of touch it isn't funny any more.

Totally agree Wrong Direction. I would just like to see a level playing field for all the players. A perfect example of privileged treatment was the US Open Juniors when Tomic lost to Devin Britton - i think it was first round. However, the TA entourage that made up his team was astounding. Even more so when you turned around and saw other Australian players on court - without ANYONE from TA watching them. Most of the players had coaches with them but no fitness trainers and the huge "hanger on contingent" of TA personnel who fly business/first class. What a joke. One of the player's parents couldn't afford to go over and watch him. I always assumed that was the life of a struggling athlete but obviuosly not for some! This fitness trainer that is being paid for specifically for Tomic - i mean why is that? Why not for a group of boys? Why just Tomic?

And then I was just listening to an audio of Todd Woodbridge talking on Darwin radio where he says "that the sport isn't expensive once you get going"!!!! and all you need is "a raquet and a ball". Maybe 30 years ago it wasn't expensive but travelling from country to country because of our location does not make for a cheap sport. The man lives in LaLa Land.
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Agreed. It takes longer to crack the top these days and TA should acknowledge this. So many good players born around 1990 are being overlooked despite them being among the best for their age. Sorry to be a nag, but Uladzimir Ignatik is also top 200 (at 185) and was born 14.7.1990 but he's the only other 1990 player (along with Rufin) currently in the top 200.
If you go back and check the rankings of Reid and Propoggia at the time they were 17 Reid was 18 ITF and Propoggia 43. So where was all their funding? I know that one of them wouldn't even bother attempting to get into AIS because they have been knocked back so many times.
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