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Old 05-13-2009, 01:04 PM   #46
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not sure what you meant by that ivan, there are certainly many things I don't like about Djokovic but I certainly don't "hate" him, I only "hate" Birdsh**, Toaderling and Boredo

I was saying the truth notice I didn't bring Roger's name there.
i won't say he is technically the most complete baseliner because i'm not sure,i would like to think he is but(sorry)your attitude as an absolute tennis expert on mtf could be annoying.according to most of respectable experts along with ferrer,recently nadal nole is the best returner on tour.not observation,facts tell.statistics.

murray and rafa are best defenders,far best.rafa is from another planet though,like him or not.the way you often dismiss somone's opinion or fact could be "who's this guy who knows every answer?"

hope no hurt feelings.bottom line-you don't know are rafa and murray better returners,you just state something as an absolute,unique truth.you're maybe noticed i like roger but don't take every bad word of him as personal attack.we all know who roger is(was is better for now).

(am i became serious?on mtf?not good,i want old chooper back)
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Old 05-13-2009, 01:05 PM   #47
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not sure what you meant by that ivan, there are certainly many things I don't like about Djokovic but I certainly don't "hate" him, I only "hate" Birdsh**, Toaderling and Boredo

I was saying the truth notice I didn't bring Roger's name there.
i think we have something in common general habibko. i have very little use for Berdych and Mugerling. i do see their attitudes improving slightly over time however.

Mugerling got the message real clear last time. he now knows not to fuck with somebody who can beat you with his feet.
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Old 05-13-2009, 01:06 PM   #48
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Federer is the best baseliner, followed by Nadal, Murray and then Djokovic.
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no Nadal and Murray are better returners than Djokovic, and Federer's serve is the best among all the top 4, no comparison.
Djokovic is the best returner. No doubt. And Rog's serve is what keep shim down for a 1.5 years already! That's because the other top 3 figured his serve out. (Forget about the past. Rog used to be the best servere).

By the serve:

1. Murray
2. Djokovic
3. Rafa
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Old 05-13-2009, 01:22 PM   #51
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finishingmove, what about Djoker's unforced errors?? He lost many MS tourneys, OLimpic games gold, just because of too many UE??!
Why's he making them? IS there a chance he will reduce it? One thing is for sure:

He won't win any significance tourney anymore, unless he reduces his UE!
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let's move onto the evidence:

the forehand:

his best weapon. he can produce a flat shot, hitting his opponent off court without the need to aproach the net, or use spin to force an error/ take control of the rally. the 2nd best forehand on clay, though i would appreciate him using the forehand dropshot more often.

the backhand:

surgical precision and can generate power if needed. viable weapon in all backhand-backhand or even backhand-forehand exchanges, though known to break down at times, unlike the forehand. the double edged backhand dropshot is one of the trademarks of the serbian slayer.

movement:

always in place. u will have a hard time hitting a clean winner against djokovic. hits defensive shots from an open stance and slides on clay and hardcourts alike.

serve:

lots of power and variety on the first serve, the 2nd serve mostly a kicker, though more than solid.

return of serve:

one of the best returners today, good anticipation in most cases and on average can place the return deeper than most other players.
Evidence is empirical. Your opinions are subjective.

What does the phrase mean "the most complete", anyways? I think you are essentially admitting by saying "the most complete", that he(Djokovic) doesn't have any weapons. That's the truth, he's a totally defensive player, he's a counter puncher.

IMHO, Davydenko is a better baseliner than Djokovic. The best ever being Agassi. Toss a David Nalbandian in there too, when he's healthy and on his game.
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superb logic there, fumus.

give me a moment to recover and consider a reply.
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he's a totally defensive player
nole could be everything but defensive player.noone said such a nonsence here.
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superb logic there, fumus.

give me a moment to recover and consider a reply.
Most people take a second and then write a reply. It's good that you've let me known that you're going to write a reply. Here I was foolishly thinking I might have ended this argument.

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Evidence is empirical. Your opinions are subjective.

What does the phrase mean "the most complete", anyways? I think you are essentially admitting by saying "the most complete", that he(Djokovic) doesn't have any weapons. That's the truth, he's a totally defensive player, he's a counter puncher.

IMHO, Davydenko is a better baseliner than Djokovic. The best ever being Agassi. Toss a David Nalbandian in there too, when he's healthy and on his game.
well the bolded part is true, i doubt we can build a discussion on that, though...

davydenko is like a poor version of djokovic in everything he does. i don't know how u came up with him being a better baseliner.
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Nalbandian, PMK and even Hewitt still return serve better than Djokovic.

If a guy like Karlovic serves bombs at him he will struggle.
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well the bolded part is true, i doubt we can build a discussion on that, though...

davydenko is like a poor version of djokovic in everything he does. i don't know how u came up with him being a better baseliner.
Davydenko is way more aggressive, he's a shot maker who can be on and off. Djokovic is usually solid with a strong consistent deep hitting.

They aren't similar.
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your point?

gasquet is a technically sound player, and he'll probably be banned for cocaine use.
My point is that Nadal's baseline Game is better since it brought him 5 Slams more a nr. 1 spot complete dominance on one surface and a 13:4 record against Djokovic. His forehand is technically much better then djokovic's exactly because it earned him the above advantages. His backhand I would rate almost on a par.
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Davydenko is way more aggressive, he's a shot maker who can be on and off. Djokovic is usually solid with a strong consistent deep hitting.

They aren't similar.
the only thing davydenko does better than djokovic is drop volley, which is irrelevant to this discussion.
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