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View Poll Results: Are players peaking at older ages in tennis now than in the past?

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Old 11-09-2012, 05:23 PM   #241
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1. We are expecting too much from them. We are already looking for the next Federer or GOAT contender in general, but that is unfair to think that way.
2. We have a very strong field (regardless of what people think) especially at the top, and it is going to take a lot for anyone, youngsters or not, to dethrone them..
3. The game has become heavily physical. No more can players just rely on their talent like perhaps in previous decades. That being said, naturally for most people, their physical peak comes much later than when they first get on the tour, which is why you see all these what people the past few years have been calling "late-bloomers" when in reality, I think they aren't really late for today's game.
4. Since it has become tougher to win a point outright in general, the game has become more mental at least to some degree. Only way players can surpass the mental aspect is to get experience, and obviously that requires time.
5. Luck. All players need a little bit of fortune, and it is no different for the youngsters. It could be anything, off day for the top player they face, a great draw opening up, some important points going their way, etc. I mean once that fortune comes along and gives them a breakthrough, their game could blossom and suddenly they are mentally strong.
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Old 11-09-2012, 05:28 PM   #242
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Simply not good enough. Anyway, there's no rule that there shoould be a Sampras or a Federer every 5 or every 10 years
The thing is there always used to be one of those. There was a Borg, or a Lendl, or a Sampras, or a Federer or whatever. The next generation seem to be 90% mugs.
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Old 11-09-2012, 06:01 PM   #243
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The thing is there always used to be one of those. There was a Borg, or a Lendl, or a Sampras, or a Federer or whatever. The next generation seem to be 90% mugs.
Again, even in the poor basketball or football or baseball/whatever clubs you get decent money. Not only that - you get head coach, assistant coach, goalie/big men/etc coach, physios, doctors; your accommodation and traveling is arranged, pretty much you just need to play.

From the little I picked up reading the forums, many players - especially younger ones/who didn't break through can't afford a coach or a physio, travel alone, can easily lose a match just because they were too tired or couldn't find a decent place to hit or a decent hitting partner. AJ mentioned in other topic that Challengers money didn't go up in the last 20 years or so.

How many top sports talents would even consider picking up tennis these days, when they could be so much more successful (and rich) in many other sports.
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Old 11-09-2012, 06:24 PM   #244
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The fact it's become so physical puts younger guys at a disadvantage to the fully developed and also to get to the top of the game you need to have a brilliant defensive game and excellent conditioning for long rallies and battles.

All of the newer generation are considered clowns, but the truth of the matter is they would transcend better to more 'skill-friendly' eras. For example Raonic in the 90s and Dimitrov in the 80s. Only Tomic if he ever grows some stamina and fighting spirit has the defensive game and possible finishing power to be competitive.
This.

These guys are all coming onto the tour at a time when the game is more physical than ever. Some of these juniors come on with weapons that simply don't cut it on the much more demanding pro tour, which in turn takes a mental toll as well.

I don't think it's a coincidence that some of the players to make a bit of noise early are the more physically mature ones like Raonic or Janowicz.

It'll take someone truly exceptional to have an early breakout to the extent that any of those greats did.
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Old 11-09-2012, 06:41 PM   #245
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Time goes by quicker now, a second/minute/hour became shorter, so the 19 y.olds are like 15-16 y.olds in the previous era.
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This.

These guys are all coming onto the tour at a time when the game is more physical than ever. Some of these juniors come on with weapons that simply don't cut it on the much more demanding pro tour, which in turn takes a mental toll as well.
Well, Haas is nearly 35, had more injuries than a stuntman or a pro wrestler, and still had better results than any youngster, except maybe Raonic. He cannot possibly have easier time on tour than a healthy 19 or 20 year old. Haas played 6 matches at RG and went on to win Halle beating Federer no less in the finals, dropping only 1 set (!!!) on the way. While Tomic gave a RET in R1
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Old 11-09-2012, 06:46 PM   #247
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Ever since Federer and Nadal raised the bar, you need exceptional technical and physical talents to break through/win a Slam as a youngster.
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Old 11-09-2012, 06:48 PM   #248
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They're all mugs. End of discussion.
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bla bla bla...we all want to see the youngsters break through. I'm as impatient as anyone else but just because they haven't won a grand slam or major title yet doesn't mean that they won't or that they are a weak crop of talent.

The GOAT didn't win his first grand slam until 23 years old. Not every young player can be like Boris Becker or Nadal and win tournaments and slams as a teenager. I think that's the exception to the rule.

It is a good point that times have changes the surfaces have gotten dramatically slower, points have gotten longer and players can't just serve their way through tournaments anymore like they used to. Thus, the older more mature, fitter, stronger guys can outlast a 19/20 year old who isn't fit enough to make it through a best of 5 set match.
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Well, Haas is nearly 35, had more injuries than a stuntman or a pro wrestler, and still had better results than any youngster, except maybe Raonic. He cannot possibly have easier time on tour than a healthy 19 or 20 year old. Haas played 6 matches at RG and went on to win Halle beating Federer no less in the finals, dropping only 1 set (!!!) on the way. While Tomic gave a RET in R1
The conversation isn't restricted to stamina, there's much more to physicality than that. Have you seen Haas? Injuries or not, the guy is ripped as far as tennis players go. He has always been and continues to be a very athletic, physical player. On average, he can put much more on the ball than most of these up-and-comers.

Moreover, the mileage on his body isn't like that of a typical, seasoned 36 year old pro because so much of his playing career was sidelined by injuries and rehab.

And to top it all off, he's highly experienced, and he can work a point much better than most of these youth.
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Moreover, the mileage on his body isn't like that of a typical, seasoned 36 year old pro because so much of his playing career was sidelined by injuries and rehab.

And to top it all off, he's highly experienced, and he can work a point much better than most of these youth.
He still has nearly 800 ATP matches, does anyone even have more (except Federer)? How about Brian Baker? Came from deep retirement, history of injuries, doesn't look ripped and still had much better first half of the year than most. Heck, he finished the year ranked higher than Harrison and mere 9 places behind Tomic.
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Tending to opt for the physical explanation, but other 2 options have their merits.
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They don't have what it takes mentally, obviously. Except Nishikori.

Just wait till I get out of college, and I will show those seasoned pros what the "Youngsters" are about
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I say it is a worthless generation in all fields, too much time infront of the computer ruined their development physically and mentally. Not only tennis is ruined but our whole civilization.
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Just wait till I get out of college, and I will show those seasoned pros what the "Youngsters" are about
You won't be number 1 as long as I'm around

I'll dominate you with my jumping 2 handed backhand swinging volley.
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