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Old 02-01-2009, 11:40 PM   #121
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i think overall the crying scene brought more drama to tennis, and in conclusion, this is good for tennis, in the end tennis wins, tennis 1 fedal 0
Tennis doesn't win with those awful matches and bullshit scenes.

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Hi, I am new to the forum but found this topic really interesting. First of all I am a fan of both Roger Federer and Rafa Nadal; and, believe that both are the GOAT where no one at this moment could come close to their achievements. I think Roger tried to hold back his tears, but once tears start to flow its hard to stop them. I honestly feel that he believed he could have beaten Rafa because hc is not Rafa's strongest surface, so he was shocked to see how well he was playing. At the same time however, I do feel Rafa's celebration was subdued due to Roger emotions. If Rafa would have celebrated more outwardly, then people would look at him and go "he's only thinking about himself" or "he has no feeling that Roger was crying". Yeah Roger won 13 GS and people had to sit back and watch him celebrate, but to each his own. If I was playing in a GS final and lost, I would probably be kicking myself in the butt, becaue who knows when you can make it back to the final, even if you are a Federer or Nadal. Criticism could go both ways. Yet you should not be ashamed of feeling angry or crying, and not ashamed of celebrating openly. It all has to do with what is proper at that moment. But hey, people eat up sob stories like hotcakes :-).
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Old 02-01-2009, 11:40 PM   #122
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Roger has def. 13 players in GS finals and I dont remember the celebrations being subdued for any of them most of them have been joyous euphoric occasions particularly his Wimbledon wins.

Those 13 oppenant probably wanted to cry their hearts out more than anything losing a GS final must hurt like hell yet they may have shed a tear or 2 but did not in anyway detract from the winners presentation.

Respect to Rafa for being so understanding of Rogers feelings I know Djokovic for exmaple would have revelled in Feds tears.
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Crying at an appropiate time? How is that? "I feel bad but I better cry later in my hotel room".
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Old 02-01-2009, 11:46 PM   #124
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I haven't see that kind of emotional breakdown at a trophy ceremony since Jana Novotna lost to Steffi Graf when she melted down after a set up and serving to go up 5-1.

And yeah, I agree that probably Federer didn't want to humiliate himself in public like that, but still.... He's beaten ever so many people at slams and in slam finals too. I'm sure they wanted it just as badly as he wanted it today, however they managed to remain gracious in defeat. If any one of his opponents in a grand slam final had broken down like Federer did today, I'm sure that they would have been laughed at by most of the posters here. Maybe he couldn't help it, but how is it that others do manage, but he can't? Also, why is it that when Federer cries, it's somehow evidence of just how wonderful he is when those same posters would have laughed at Andy if he had broken down after his bitter losses to Federer at Wimbledon?

When he beat Nadal at Wimbledon the year before last, Nadal wept bitterly in the locker room, but managed to be gracious at the victory ceremony. I'd like for Nadal for once be able to be happy at a slam victory ceremony rather than having to be tiptoeing around Federer's feelings.
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This is a tough one.

Clearly Federer was not deliberately trying to steal Nadal's moment. He cried because he couldn't control himself. No doubt Federer will be quite embarressed by his actions when he looks back them. That said, Federer didn't do anything bad or wrong as such. And no, there is nothing intrinsically wrong with showing one's emotions.

However, I have to say Federer's outburst did reveal some serious shortcomings in the Federer psyche. It is very clear, Federer derives a huge amount of his self-worth by his success. This is fine and dandy when Federer is winning everything but when he isn't it's not surprising Federer struggles to cope. I think there is a real danger Federer could end up suffering with severe depression when his career ends.

Nadal in contrast, is an altogether much more mature individual. I found some of the quotes from his winning interview very telling. "When you win an important match, but you have to know before the match who you are and after the match you have to know who you are, too. You are the same, no?" This pretty much sums up Nadal's attitude to the sport and it also goes a long way towards explaining why Nadal is so mentally strong. Nadal's self worth is not connected to whether or not he wins tennis matches. Nadal is okay with himself regardless. All he asks of himself is that he gives it everything on the court. If after that he loses, fine. Unlike Federer, Nadal's self esteem isn't linked to whether or not he wins. This means Nadal is able to play tennis far more fearlessly and with far less pressure on his shoulders than does Federer. Nadal is better at focusing on each and every point without distractions that probably any player of his generation and probably a few generations before him. Unlike Federer, who has loads of profession goals that he feels a need to achieve, Nadal's appears to play with only one goal, simply to be the best he can be at that moment. Is it any wonder Nadal is stronger than Federer mentally and indeed emotionally. And after today's events it is very hard to see this changing.

So yeah, I guess one can justify Roger's behavior, given that it reflects that Roger is not the most emotionally mature of players, it could hardly be considered surprising. But truthfully I do feel a bit sorry for Federer, not because he lost but because clearly he has some serious self esteem issues that will need to be addressed if he doesn't want to escape serious depression down the road.
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Take off those rose glasses Seahorse: Nadal is being honest, but it's easy to say this when you win. Was he saying this to himself in the Wimbledon ('07) showers while crying to himself.
I'm pretty sure he would have been, MrChopin. He is a very level headed boy

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Respect to Rafa for being so understanding of Rogers feelings I know Djokovic for exmaple would have revelled in Feds tears.
I highly doubt Djokovic would delight in Federer's tears. Maybe he wouldn't have dealt with it the way Rafa did, because he and Federer have a different relationship, but I think you are wrong to assume he would somehow enjoy Federer's obvious distress.
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also the constant "goes" he's having at other players.
Yes, I am sure Murray and Djok are enjoying the show, since he always criticizes them. Federer always celebrated with gusto and prevented Rafa from doing the same. Selfish and insecure.

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Thanks for letting people know you're not a serious fan.

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Glen what's up. You seem to be taking rafa victory better than I expected.
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Old 02-01-2009, 11:51 PM   #127
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Glen what's up. You seem to be taking rafa victory better than I expected.
Do you really think so?

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It is more because all the hype + Roger's dreams are crashing down too soon and too quick. OK, we don't need to go over the top and say Rafa will win grand slams for 2 straight years and break the 13 slam record by end of 2010.


But let's wait and see how Nadal can hold up to for the years. I don't think he can be this strong starting 2010. Rafa's been playing at top level since 19; he can't hold on that much. Nothing against him. The those coming up are wimps, compared to these two champs.

I want Roger to come out and swing fiercelessly. He should keep the mind set of I am going to loose anyway; but I am going to swing wild. [/i][/b]
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Glen what's up. You seem to be taking rafa victory better than I expected.


He so isn't.
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Do you really think so?

Maybe it's because I don't give a flying f***.
Well yea compared to Wilberdon last year I'd say your are behaving quite civil.
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Maybe I should start a poll on this board to see who thinks male sex shedding tears is wrong.
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I said before that Federer reminds me of Michael Jackson - considers himself royalty, so naturally plays tennis with the Emperor of Japan and then simply must have a Japanese toilet installed in his house in Switzerland, because the one in his Tokyo hotel was such fun to sit on. Like a throne.
And remember the Wimbledon jackets with the ''royal'' coat-of-arms on the pocket!

Today I got the feeling he was sobbing because the king of tennis wants more slam titles than anybody else and his subjects are not bowing to his wish. He was really looking forward to being worshipped by the royal court of past tennis greats in attendance. Now Rafa has won a slam on all three surfaces and Federer can't do that.

He was quick to mock Djokovic for not being able to finish a match. Today I thought Rafa should have turned to him and said, ''Grow up, get over it.!!!!!! I'm the new king and it's good to be the king.''
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Roger has def. 13 players in GS finals and I dont remember the celebrations being subdued for any of them most of them have been joyous euphoric occasions particularly his Wimbledon wins.

Those 13 oppenant probably wanted to cry their hearts out more than anything losing a GS final must hurt like hell yet they may have shed a tear or 2 but did not in anyway detract from the winners presentation.

Respect to Rafa for being so understanding of Rogers feelings I know Djokovic for exmaple would have revelled in Feds tears.
Exactly!

Federer has never been a player to show empathy or humility in his victories.
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Maybe I should start a poll on this board to see who thinks male sex shedding tears is wrong.
Totally not the point. Men cry its great it means they have a heart.
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Maybe I should start a poll on this board to see who thinks male sex shedding tears is wrong.
It is not wrong when a man sheds tears for someone else's misfortune. It is pathetic when he only has tears for himself.
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