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Old 02-01-2009, 09:09 PM   #61
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Federer always has been a pansy.
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Who are we to say if the tears where justified or not? are you kidding me? I don´t think he wanted to show how much hurted this defeat, he couldn´t held his tears, it was heartbreaking.
I can´t vote in a poll like this, he just cried because he felt it, he was really sad and he couldn´t helped. He couldn´t leave the place and cry in the shower, you have to be very brave to do something like this. Rafa won, congratulations to him, but live Roger alone. He lost like a man, I can´t be prouder as a fan.
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This is a tough one.

Clearly Federer was not deliberately trying to steal Nadal's moment. He cried because he couldn't control himself. No doubt Federer will be quite embarressed by his actions when he looks back them. That said, Federer didn't do anything bad or wrong as such. And no, there is nothing intrinsically wrong with showing one's emotions.

However, I have to say Federer's outburst did reveal some serious shortcomings in the Federer psyche. It is very clear, Federer derives a huge amount of his self-worth by his success. This is fine and dandy when Federer is winning everything but when he isn't it's not surprising Federer struggles to cope. I think there is a real danger Federer could end up suffering with severe depression when his career ends.

Nadal in contrast, is an altogether much more mature individual. I found some of the quotes from his winning interview very telling. "When you win an important match, but you have to know before the match who you are and after the match you have to know who you are, too. You are the same, no?" This pretty much sums up Nadal's attitude to the sport and it also goes a long way towards explaining why Nadal is so mentally strong. Nadal's self worth is not connected to whether or not he wins tennis matches. Nadal is okay with himself regardless. All he asks of himself is that he gives it everything on the court. If after that he loses, fine. Unlike Federer, Nadal's self esteem isn't linked to whether or not he wins. This means Nadal is able to play tennis far more fearlessly and with far less pressure on his shoulders than does Federer. Nadal is better at focusing on each and every point without distractions that probably any player of his generation and probably a few generations before him. Unlike Federer, who has loads of profession goals that he feels a need to achieve, Nadal's appears to play with only one goal, simply to be the best he can be at that moment. Is it any wonder Nadal is stronger than Federer mentally and indeed emotionally. And after today's events it is very hard to see this changing.

So yeah, I guess one can justify Roger's behavior, given that it reflects that Roger is not the most emotionally mature of players, it could hardly be considered surprising. But truthfully I do feel a bit sorry for Federer, not because he lost but because clearly he has some serious self esteem issues that will need to be addressed if he doesn't want to escape serious depression down the road.
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He is a pussy and a mean one too.

Roger had all the advantages,
A cupcake draw,
His pigeon getting the open roof
An extra day rest while being number 2.

I am glad Rafa is the Fed blocker. I loved it!

For all those who think this wuss cried because the loss was just so monumental, remember this is not the first time. He is a girly man. Here is the wuss with Henman.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=w8QDlcFHA4o
A PUSSY!!!!!!!!: spit:Also a girly man!!! Wait, wait, you're really silly!!!
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Of course they're justified. He bent over and had no lube. Must have hurt.
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Talk to the 19 year old kids who are in the future circuit. They must win to make money and continue their shot at a good pro career. For me that pressure is even greater and have far greater reason to cry.
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Roger never really felt bad for so many players that he beated repeatedly over the years. He always enjoyed the moment with smile. I dont know if you noticed but Rafa tried to calm him down and thats class. Federer was arrogant most of the times and didnt have any mercy.
Even after the match if you read his comments he is still arrogant.
Doesnt take a lot to see what a person he is. I never felt sorry for him.
And I am not writing this cause I hate him, this is the truth and I believe everyone who isnt fan Federer can see it.
I couldn't agree more with you. I am sure if Roger won, he'd be far from humble. By projecting this I-am-better-than-everyone-else image and by taking every opportunity to criticize other top players, he is the one putting immense amount of pressure on himself. I am a longtime Nadal fan and I have tried liking Federer (more like, I have tried not disliking him) but his arrogance always comes in the way.
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nope. It's not his first AO title match, it's not the slam that will break Sampras' record, and goodness man, stop crying already (who does he think he is, Zvonareva?)! Tears of joy are one thing since the audience can celebrate with you... whiny tears like these only make him look pathetic and forced Nadal to tone his celebrations down.
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This is a tough one.

Clearly Federer was not deliberately trying to steal Nadal's moment. He cried because he couldn't control himself. No doubt Federer will be quite embarressed by his actions when he looks back them. That said, Federer didn't do anything bad or wrong as such. And no, there is nothing intrinsically wrong with showing one's emotions.

However, I have to say Federer's outburst did reveal some serious shortcomings in the Federer psyche. It is very clear, Federer derives a huge amount of his self-worth by his success. This is fine and dandy when Federer is winning everything but when he isn't it's not surprising Federer struggles to cope. I think there is a real danger Federer could end up suffering with severe depression when his career ends.

Nadal in contrast, is an altogether much more mature individual. I found some of the quotes from his winning interview very telling. "When you win an important match, but you have to know before the match who you are and after the match you have to know who you are, too. You are the same, no?" This pretty much sums up Nadal's attitude to the sport and it also goes a long way towards explaining why Nadal is so mentally strong. Nadal's self worth is not connected to whether or not he wins tennis matches. Nadal is okay with himself regardless. All he asks of himself is that he gives it everything on the court. If after that he loses, fine. Unlike Federer, Nadal's self esteem isn't linked to whether or not he wins. This means Nadal is able to play tennis far more fearlessly and with far less pressure on his shoulders than does Federer. Nadal is better at focusing on each and every point without distractions that probably any player of his generation and probably a few generations before him. Unlike Federer, who has loads of profession goals that he feels a need to achieve, Nadal's appears to play with only one goal, simply to be the best he can be at that moment. Is it any wonder Nadal is stronger than Federer mentally and indeed emotionally. And after today's events it is very hard to see this changing.

So yeah, I guess one can justify Roger's behavior, given that it reflects that Roger is not the most emotionally mature of players, it could hardly be considered surprising. But truthfully I do feel a bit sorry for Federer, not because he lost but because clearly he has some serious self esteem issues that will need to be addressed if he doesn't want to escape serious depression down the road.
I thought this was an interesting post. I agree with you that Federer's tears were not a deliberate effort to steal Nadal's moment, but rather more about the kind of person he is. I also agree about Nadal's emotional maturity and even temperament are the foundation of his on court mental strength.

Where I part company with you is that the tears are a sign of Federer's lack of self esteem. It's always seemed to me that Federer loves basking in adulation, and also that he has a tendency to feel sorry for himself. I think that he's managed to hold it together at RG (even though the first time Nadal defeated him there, he looked very pouty) because he's told himself that Nadal was a clay freak. Then Wimbledon was a bit harder, but he could still tell himself that Nadal couldn't touch him on the hardcourts. I think the tears were a product of Federer's myth of himself being tarnished. But, maybe that's what you are talking about -- someone with true self esteem and self knowledge doesn't really have this problem. Anyway -- excellent post.
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I think people are kind of reading too much into this. Federer just seems like a crying sort of person.

It's pretty irrelevant unless he did it on purpose, which I highly doubt.
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I thought this was an interesting post. I agree with you that Federer's tears were not a deliberate effort to steal Nadal's moment, but rather more about the kind of person he is. I also agree about Nadal's emotional maturity and even temperament are the foundation of his on court mental strength.

Where I part company with you is that the tears are a sign of Federer's lack of self esteem. It's always seemed to me that Federer loves basking in adulation, and also that he has a tendency to feel sorry for himself. I think that he's managed to hold it together at RG (even though the first time Nadal defeated him there, he looked very pouty) because he's told himself that Nadal was a clay freak. Then Wimbledon was a bit harder, but he could still tell himself that Nadal couldn't touch him on the hardcourts. I think the tears were a product of Federer's myth of himself being tarnished. But, maybe that's what you are talking about -- someone with true self esteem and self knowledge doesn't really have this problem. Anyway -- excellent post.
Exactly. When a person's self-esteem is linked solely to what they achieve it is a very fragile self-esteem.
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Nadal in contrast, is an altogether much more mature individual. I found some of the quotes from his winning interview very telling. "When you win an important match, but you have to know before the match who you are and after the match you have to know who you are, too. You are the same, no?" This pretty much sums up Nadal's attitude to the sport and it also goes a long way towards explaining why Nadal is so mentally strong. Nadal's self worth is not connected to whether or not he wins tennis matches. Nadal is okay with himself regardless. All he asks of himself is that he gives it everything on the court. If after that he loses, fine. Unlike Federer, Nadal's self esteem isn't linked to whether or not he wins....
Take off those rose glasses Seahorse: Nadal is being honest, but it's easy to say this when you win. Was he saying this to himself in the Wimbledon ('07) showers while crying to himself.

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Both men put their lives into tennis. How can users not respect what that investment entails, as Fed displayed today? I can't believe this thread exists... as a poll. Wow, what a group of callous people... how can one cheer for players to cry as a result of feeling that so much of their effort has been squandered? That's such a horrible desire.
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Wow there really are some very JUDGMENTAL, HEARTLESS people in this thread. Rafa had compassion for Roger and yet so many of his fans cannot. How shameful. How someone's heart could not go out to Roger is beyond belief to me. The tears were real and his heart is beautiful. He is a sensitive man who wears his joy and sadness on his sleeve and that is threatening to some people in here. I think you are just very uncomfortable with a man showing his vulnerabilities. Basically you are a bunch of insensitive macho types who cannot allow A MAN to show his heart. How disgusting and pathetic of you! Both Roger and Rafa are infinitely classier than you heartless Roger bashers!
You go, girl! I'm totally with you.
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