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Old 02-03-2009, 09:17 PM   #46
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As do you

You see "arbitrary decision making" where I see mods looking at the rules, looking at the situation and applying best judgement.

You see "clashes between rival fangroups" which is healthy and fun, I see needless flamebaiting, disrespectful and offensive posting and little tolerance of a shared space.

You see "nothing in GM has changed in spite of the ridiculously excessive moderation that takes place", I see small but welcome changes and a reduction in the amount of posts that I come across that need to be dealt with and a drop in the number of reported posts in big events like slam finals or marquee matches.

Ultimately you and I are on opposite sides of an unbridgeable chasm on this one. I don't see much point in going around in circles making the same points. I'm happier with the way it is going, you're not. That's unlikely to change.
True but the only difference being you are the one making/implementing the rules.

So you can delude yourself into thinking that things are going well and the decisions you make work.
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Old 02-03-2009, 09:18 PM   #47
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True but the only difference being you are the one making/implementing the rules.

So you can delude yourself into thinking that things are going well and the decisions you make work.
And you can delude yourself in to thinking they're not
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Old 02-03-2009, 09:19 PM   #48
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Default Re: Locked Hahaha threads.

Why was the Federer's Tear's Justified thread closed? Can you people at least post a note at the end explaining why you're closing a thread?
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Old 02-03-2009, 09:19 PM   #49
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I opened a thread in the blog section of Rafa's forum, away from the rough and tumble of GM, where like minded happy go lucky sorts from various fanbases come together, and it was removed.



Why?

Are we going to enforce GM rules on player forums? If so there are some mightily dubious things posted in various player forum chat threads that I would say warrant closure.
Might want to send that one on directly to the admins via PM or start a new thread.

Rafa's forum has no mods so only the admins can make changes there I believe.
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Might want to send that one on directly to the admins via PM or start a new thread.

Rafa's forum has no mods so only the admins can make changes there I believe.
Yes, that is true.

I didn't get a PM or any explanation about it
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Old 02-03-2009, 09:22 PM   #52
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Why was the Federer's Tear's Justified thread closed? Can you people at least post a note at the end explaining why you're closing a thread?
Because I've read through it and it's the same discussion going around and around again - I didn't feel like it was generating useful discussion anymore yet it's at nearly 400 posts and counting.
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Because I've read through it and it's the same discussion going around and around again - I didn't feel like it was generating useful discussion anymore yet it's at nearly 400 posts and counting.
With all due respect (and I have much of it for you ), I see no reason to close threads simply because they are redundant. I found it interesting to get a sampling of people's views on that subject. And if generating "useful" discussion is a criterion, we might as well shut down 98% of the board.

Just my thoughts... quite a few times I've dawdled in contributing to a thread, finally decided to post, and been frustrated to find it closed.

I know I'm more laissez-faire on this issue than most of the mods, but that's OK. I appreciate the work you all do. If there are not significant personal attacks, though, I'd prefer things be left alone in general.
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Old 02-04-2009, 01:39 PM   #54
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As do you

You see "arbitrary decision making" where I see mods looking at the rules, looking at the situation and applying best judgement.
You have repeatedly stated that your style of moderation is to respond to reported posts. If you are not proactive but reactive about moderating in GM, then I am sorry but that becomes "arbitrary decision making" whether you intend it or not.

For example, I find nothing wrong with any of the threads in GM by themselves. So I will not report anything. Some sensitive soul on the other hand sees the F word being used in one of the threads and reports it. You will take action on the reported thread and will leave alone a host of other similar threads because they are not reported. In this way you are catering to the whims of those few sensitive souls.

And if you ask us to report more, you are asking us to self-moderate in which case you role essentially is to use a button for deletion of posts which is completely superfluous and unnecessary.

So I am not being deluded when I say arbitrary decision making.

Secondly if you are too busy( and this I mean all the mods) to check all the threads then I really think you should give it to someone else who has the time. Here you are saying you want to ensure a degree of respectability to GM and you do not want to spend adequate time and effort on the issue.
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Old 02-04-2009, 05:33 PM   #55
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Because I've read through it and it's the same discussion going around and around again - I didn't feel like it was generating useful discussion anymore yet it's at nearly 400 posts and counting.
May as well close down all of GM then.

Closing threads because you find them boring is not proper moderating.
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You have repeatedly stated that your style of moderation is to respond to reported posts. If you are not proactive but reactive about moderating in GM, then I am sorry but that becomes "arbitrary decision making" whether you intend it or not.

For example, I find nothing wrong with any of the threads in GM by themselves. So I will not report anything. Some sensitive soul on the other hand sees the F word being used in one of the threads and reports it. You will take action on the reported thread and will leave alone a host of other similar threads because they are not reported. In this way you are catering to the whims of those few sensitive souls.

And if you ask us to report more, you are asking us to self-moderate in which case you role essentially is to use a button for deletion of posts which is completely superfluous and unnecessary.

So I am not being deluded when I say arbitrary decision making.

Secondly if you are too busy( and this I mean all the mods) to check all the threads then I really think you should give it to someone else who has the time. Here you are saying you want to ensure a degree of respectability to GM and you do not want to spend adequate time and effort on the issue.
My style of moderation is to respond primarily to reported posts and otherwise to spend time posting and reading GM when I can, but I can't exactly guarantee I can keep on top of every thread 24 hours a day, neither can none of my fellow mods, and, realistically, neither could ANY mod unless it was their full time paid employment, and so the reporting system HAS to be the primary method of handling issues that arise. So you may argue that the reporting or spotting of issues in GM is arbitrary, but again I will say that if more people took the trouble to report things then more issues would get picked up earlier. But once the issue is one that we become aware of, we try to deal with them as consistently as we can given the day to day realities. If that's not good enough for people then there's not much I can do about that - it's the way it is.
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May as well close down all of GM then.

Closing threads because you find them boring is not proper moderating.
Thanks for your opinion - there is a clause in the rules about threads that may be closed if the mod feels they are not generating useful discussion any longer, so if and when that seems appropriate, it's what we can do if there seems like reasonable cause.
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May as well close down all of GM then.

Closing threads because you find them boring is not proper moderating.
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My style of moderation is to respond primarily to reported posts and otherwise to spend time posting and reading GM when I can, but I can't exactly guarantee I can keep on top of every thread 24 hours a day, neither can none of my fellow mods, and, realistically, neither could ANY mod unless it was their full time paid employment, and so the reporting system HAS to be the primary method of handling issues that arise. So you may argue that the reporting or spotting of issues in GM is arbitrary, but again I will say that if more people took the trouble to report things then more issues would get picked up earlier. But once the issue is one that we become aware of, we try to deal with them as consistently as we can given the day to day realities. If that's not good enough for people then there's not much I can do about that - it's the way it is.
Your response does not address the issues I raised. If you are operating under such limitations, you are bound to get a lot of complaints. In which case, I think the improvements you perceive are largely wishful thinking. Ask the Fed forum people if they think GM has improved just because the GOAT cheese thread has been closed down.

And that's all I have to say.
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Your response does not address the issues I raised. If you are operating under such limitations, you are bound to get a lot of complaints. In which case, I think the improvements you perceive are largely wishful thinking. Ask the Fed forum people if they think GM has improved just because the GOAT cheese thread has been closed down.

And that's all I have to say.
We don't get a lot of complaints. We get some complaints, which is entirely understandable, but the fact is the vast majority of the users seem quite content to operate within the confines of the system that we have in place and rarely get involved in these minidramas. Most of my time moderating, and explaining what we're trying to do when we moderate, is spent on two handfuls of noisy malcontents - one which wants to break the rules that are in place, and the other that just complains about them.
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