[abraxas21]

Originally Posted by Brick Top

Please explain your post more further and try to make some sense which I dont think you will be able to do.
How many blood have spilled from the beginning of the mankind trough medieval holy wars and modern days just because of some stupid religious norms and fictional god characters fallowed by greed. It is both disturbing and disgusting.

love how you try to sound all sensible, grown up and pseudo rational when at the same time you gave me a "sukit" badrep for the same post

[Brick Top]

Originally Posted by abraxas21

love how you try to sound all sensible, grown up and pseudo rational when at the same time you gave me a "sukit" badrep for the same post

It still does not equals "lame" in the level of immaturity.

[Echoes]

Originally Posted by abraxas21

there are few cases of atheists killing others over matters of faith or whatnot.

[Jimnik]

Originally Posted by abraxas21

there are few cases of atheists killing others over matters of faith or whatnot.

[Jimnik]

Originally Posted by Har-Tru

Wow. What an outrageously idiotic statement.

Just stating facts here.

Hope I didn't strike a nerve. May God bless you Har-Tru.

[Time Violation]

The reasons why either religious or atheist people kill are usually the same, power, greed, envy etc. or just stark raving mad. Comparing the numbers from each side is pretty tasteless.

[Har-Tru]

Originally Posted by Jimnik

Just stating facts here.

Hope I didn't strike a nerve. May God bless you Har-Tru.

I don't need any blessings from your imaginary friend.

Oh and:

Originally Posted by Pirata.

Citation needed.

Now I know your being religious you don't place that much importance on evidence to back up claims, but hey...

[Har-Tru]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...elopment_Index

http://www.impactlab.net/2006/03/26/...e-of-atheists/

[Punky]

Originally Posted by Har-Tru

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...elopment_Index

http://www.impactlab.net/2006/03/26/...e-of-atheists/

37% in my country??
i have no idea who did this Research but well its more like 2%-3% then 37%

from all the ppl i even know/known theres onky 1 person who said he doesnt believe in anything at all.

but i do think u got a point in what u said but the numbers are not true or Accurate

[Litotes]

Originally Posted by Har-Tru

http://www.impactlab.net/2006/03/26/...e-of-atheists/

I see Norway tops the uncertainty list...31%-72%. Not very specific. But Vietnam is given as exactly 81%. Where do these numbers come from?

[Har-Tru]

Originally Posted by Litotes

I see Norway tops the uncertainty list...31%-72%. Not very specific. But Vietnam is given as exactly 81%. Where do these numbers come from?

Source: Zuckerman, Phil. “Atheism: Contemporary Rates and Patterns”, chapter in The Cambridge Companion to Atheism, ed. by Michael Martin, Cambridge University Press: Cambridge, UK (2005).

You can find the study, as well as all its secondary bibliography and sources, here:
http://www.pitzer.edu/academics/facu...under-7000.pdf


This type of international research is very complex, not least because the definition of atheism or lack of religion varies and because every country uses different methods to measure irreligion. Zuckerman himself:

Determining what percentage of a given society believes in God – or
doesn’t -- is fraught with methodological hurdles. First: low response rates; most
people do not respond to surveys, and response rates of lower than 50% cannot
be generalized to the wider society. Secondly: non-random samples. If the
sample is not randomly selected – i.e., every member of the given population has
an equal chance of being chosen -- it is non-generalizable. Third: adverse
political/cultural climates. In totalitarian countries where atheism is
governmentally promulgated and risks are present for citizens viewed as
disloyal, individuals will be reluctant to admit that they do believe in God.
Conversely, in societies where religion is enforced by the government and risks
are present for citizens viewed as non-believers, individuals will be reluctant to
admit that they don’t believe in Allah, regardless of whether anonymity is
“guaranteed.” Even in democratic societies without governmental coercion,
individuals often feel that it is necessary to say that are religious, simply because
such a response is socially desirable or culturally appropriate. For example, the
designation “atheist” is stigmatized in many societies; even when people directly
claim to not believe in God, they still eschew the self-designation of “atheist.”
Greeley (2003) found that 41% of Norwegians, 48% of the French, and 54% of
Czechs claimed to not believe in God, but only 10%, 19%, and 20% of those
respondents self-identified as “atheist,” respectively. A final methodological
problem: terminology. Definitions of specific words seldom translate well crossculturally.
Signifiers such as “religious” or “God” have different meanings in
different cultures (Beyer, 2003), making cross-national comparisons of beliefs
between markedly different societies tenuous. Despite the above methodological
limitations, we can make reliable estimates. Though methodological flaws persist,
in the words of Robert Putnam (2000:23): “we must make do with the imperfect
evidence that we can find, not merely lament its deficiencies.”

However, all studies to this effect yield similar results. Wikipedia lists studies by Gallup and the Dentsu Institute. While the questions asked and the methodology used varies, the same countries appear at the top:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irreligion_by_country

[Sham Kay]

Christian on one side, hindu on the other side.. so I guess I'm meant to believe in a 4 headed Jesus.

Yeah, not happening.

[abraxas21]

Originally Posted by Echoes

but were stalin's crimes rooted in religion or against religion?

[Echoes]

For Heaven's sake, the persecution of Christians by the USSR is common knowledge. It was not just about political opponents or Kulaks, many were also killed for spiritual reasons.


They were not the only one, actually and you don't necessary have to be a Communist to be kill in the name of atheism. In 1792 the French Republicans massacred the Vendeans because they just wanted to live their faith. They were atheists and liberals.

[Everko]

I'm Muslim. But I do not be as religious as my family is.