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Old 10-29-2008, 04:17 PM   #1
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cant be sure this info is 100% yet:

$125,000 CHALLENGER

Increase: (25%) ( 7%) (-3%) (-5%) (-33%)
2009 W (100) F (60) SF (35) QF (18) 16 (6)
2008 W (80) F (56) SF (36) QF (19) 16 (8)

$50,000 CHALLENGER

Increase: (50%) (28 %) (22 %) (25%) (0%)
2009 W (75) F (45) SF (27) QF (15) 16 (5)
2008 W (50) F (35) SF (22) QF (12) 16 (5)

$15,000 FUTURES
Increase: (28%) (16%) (16%) (0%) (0%)
2009 W (25) F (14) SF (7) QF (3) 16 (1)
2008 W (18) F (12) SF (6) QF (3) 16 (1)
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Old 10-29-2008, 04:58 PM   #2
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Challengers with $35, $75, $100, $150 ???
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That is very little difference between 50K and 125K.
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This won't be enough to make up the big difference between ATP (especially the '500' tournaments) and challengers. Things will get pretty messed up. Fluke runs in bigger tournaments (such as ATP 500) will dominate the rankings. Players currently in the top-80 may still stay here in 2009 even if they have horrible form all year, based on one or two fluke results in ATP tournaments. It will be much more difficult to get into the top-100 for players not already established there.
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This won't be enough to make up the big difference between ATP (especially the '500' tournaments) and challengers. Things will get pretty messed up. Fluke runs in bigger tournaments (such as ATP 500) will dominate the rankings. Players currently in the top-80 may still stay here in 2009 even if they have horrible form all year, based on one or two fluke results in ATP tournaments. It will be much more difficult to get into the top-100 for players not already established there.
Yes, unfortunately it has been a tradition for the ATP to appreciate fluke runs over solidity in Challengers.
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cant be sure this info is 100% yet:

$125,000 CHALLENGER

Increase: (25%) ( 7%) (-3%) (-5%) (-33%)
2009 W (100) F (60) SF (35) QF (18) 16 (6)
2008 W (80) F (56) SF (36) QF (19) 16 (8)
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i agree. if this points system is true then the difference between the 2 levels of challengers isnt much. So perhaps the cuts on the top challengers will drop whilst the cuts on the lower challengers will rise?

the difference in points between the rounds now is:
W-25 F-15 S-8 Q-3 16-1
and before:
W-30 F-21 S-14 Q-7 16-3
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i agree. if this points system is true then the difference between the 2 levels of challengers isnt much. So perhaps the cuts on the top challengers will drop whilst the cuts on the lower challengers will rise?

the difference in points between the rounds now is:
W-25 F-15 S-8 Q-3 16-1
and before:
W-30 F-21 S-14 Q-7 16-3
I think that there hasn't been that much correspondance between Challengers with a really high amount of prize money ($125K or $150K) and the cut-offs; the strongest Challengers usually have slightly less prize money, but just better scheduling (e.g. Sunrise, which is $100K). Players tend to look for more things than just prize money.
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I think that there hasn't been that much correspondance between Challengers with a really high amount of prize money ($125K or $150K) and the cut-offs; the strongest Challengers usually have slightly less prize money, but just better scheduling (e.g. Sunrise, which is $100K). Players tend to look for more things than just prize money.
yes thats ture - location and surface i guess are the main factors. Surbiton is probably one of the worst offenders, offering minimal money but getting big names due to being grass right before queens etc.
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really, really bad stats there at 125k from winner thru to r16...

i see some really good players touring challengers, i mean, top 100 good, yet... at the moment, they slave away all year to get to around 350 or 400pts (2008 system) and then are ready to do some main draws at MM tourneys... the catch is for many of these players is that they have the choice of doing main draws at atp level for a month and crashing out VS going back to challenger level and defending sometimes sizable chunks of that 400 pts... i guess you just gotta hope your decent rank coincides with grandslam draw entry time...

the challenger level is the breadbasket of the tour... where the majority of the talent arrives from... while money could be even better at this level, it is the points that are of interest as many players are being bankrolled to a large degree until they are inside the top 200 or 150...

the new system is one for the rich... as the purchase of wildcards will become a precious commodity, as like has been said here already, the system will be rewarding freakish runs VS solid year round from...

at what rank will the new tour ghetto be set... 150...?

points at 125K... clownish... clownish red...

hopefully we wont see a lot of static ranking from 75 to 150... for mine, a good tour should have a lot of very, easy movement between these ranks...

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what a joke. they think players dont play tennis on challengerS????

i suppose ch players will do something to solve this ridiculous schet
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i suppose ch players will do something to solve this ridiculous schet
they will play more ATP qualies
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I believe Dani Koellerer has a lovely phrase that about sums up this mess
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I can't find any official release, but according to a news (in Portuguese) the 2009 Challengers points should be (info only after QF):


Type W | RU | SF | QF
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150K 110 | 65| 40 | 20
125K 100 | 60 | 35 |18
100K 90| 55| 33 |17
75K 80| 48| 29 |15
35K+H 75 |45| 27 |13

W- Winner
RU- Runner-Up
SF- Semifinalist
QF- Quarterfinalist

current points system: http://stevegtennis.com/entrypoints.txt

you have a comparison between the two sytems in previous posts (% of increase)

source: http://esporte.uol.com.br/tenis/ulti...4364u3365.jhtm
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