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Old 10-20-2008, 06:09 AM   #1
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So happy for them, but have they played doubles together since RG?
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Old 10-20-2008, 06:17 AM   #2
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So happy for them, but have they played doubles together since RG?
They played at Washington and lost in 1R to... gicquel & lindstedt? Played USO and lost R2 to ... mmm... de Voest and somebody...

so. We gonna see.
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So happy for them, but have they played doubles together since RG?
Why are these guys just qualifying now? If they are qualified as 'Roland Garros Champions', as the Masters Cup site says, why weren't they guaranteed a spot all along? Is it just that now that they are mathematically eliminated from finishing in the top 8, the ATP ensures they have a spot?

In any case, I hope they draw Dan and Nenad, they should be a fairly easy win for the others in their group, given the Shanghai surface and the indoors factor.
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mmm, well I guess it's ok that all GS winners should go to Shanghai, even if Lucho and Pablo aren't much good outside of clay
I just hope they don't pull a Gaudio at the TMC
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Why are these guys just qualifying now? If they are qualified as 'Roland Garros Champions', as the Masters Cup site says, why weren't they guaranteed a spot all along? Is it just that now that they are mathematically eliminated from finishing in the top 8, the ATP ensures they have a spot?

In any case, I hope they draw Dan and Nenad, they should be a fairly easy win for the others in their group, given the Shanghai surface and the indoors factor.
They have been qualified as Roland Garros Champions since RG. That rule applies for every Grand-Slam-winner of a year, no matter if Singles or Doubles, in case they don't qualify anyway by being within the Top 8 of a year.
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They have been qualified as Roland Garros Champions since RG. That rule applies for every Grand-Slam-winner of a year, no matter if Singles or Doubles, in case they don't qualify anyway by being within the Top 8 of a year.
Yeah, that makes sense, I was just wondering why they would 'announce' they've qualified if everybody already knew they were going to go. The Master Cup website says "two more teams have qualified", but the Cuevas/Horna have not played together in more than a month.

I assume that it's because they are now mathematically out, but it's not as if this was a surprise, and in fact they reached 'qualified' status from the ATP by falling out of contention for the top 8. My problem isn't with the fact that they're in, just that ATP tried to sort of 'hide' the fact they were in hoping they'd get into the top 8, and when it is impossible, they suddenly 'announce' qualification as if it is news. Why not just have them as 'qualified' from June on?
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it's the ATP, things have been going downhill in there lately
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The same rule would have worked already for Gaston Gaudio in 2004 FedEx. It's nothing of "lately". I think too it's because they are literally out now.
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no, I meant, do you remember Gaudio at the 2004 TMC? he qualified 'cuz he won RG, but lost ALL the matches
that's why I say I hope Lucho and Pablo don't do a Gaudio at the TMC
I think they have to start playing together even if it is a MM tournament, just to get warmed-up a bit for TMC
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Old 10-20-2008, 06:51 AM   #10
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Winning RG wasn't enough. They had to stay in the top 20 and they did it. Like Gaudio in 2004 or Goran in 2001. A major winner gets to TMC if he stays in top 20. They only were safe this week i gues
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Gaudio won matches at TMC 2005, there are plenty of players that haven't won a match at TMC.

All Cuevas/Horna needed was an established team to win the US Open, then their spot was guaranteed.
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I think they have to start playing together even if it is a MM tournament, just to get warmed-up a bit for TMC
Both are playing at a challenger in Buenos Aires this week, but neither is playing doubles at all, let alone with each other. They both played singles last week in Montevideo, but did not play doubles together. They are both entered in Cali for next week, perhaps then one will suggest to the other "Hey, wanna try and play together so we don't lose every match embarrassingly in Shanghai."

I wonder how much money you make for showing up at Shanghai and losing all doubles matches. They might figure they're not going to win, so they'll just show up for the prize money.
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Gaudio won matches at TMC 2005, there are plenty of players that haven't won a match at TMC.

All Cuevas/Horna needed was an established team to win the US Open, then their spot was guaranteed.
I'm talking about the 2004 TMC, if I'm not mistaken, Gaudio lost against Federer, Moyá and Hewitt

I hope that doesn't happen to Lucho and Pablo
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They're gonna be donkey-punched in the TMC.
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