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Old 08-28-2008, 10:16 AM   #1
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Default aiming for body is not fair play?

This thread comes from the Roddick vs Santoro match, when Fabrice got pissed about a serve to body.

żIs it really considered not fair play in any way? I had really never thought about it that way, nor commentators on TV (I usually listen to Corretja) mention it's a dirty tactic; example, the Gulbis-Nadal match, Alex just said Ernests was being smart with his serve to the body. It's just one option out of three you have, serve to backhand, to forehand, or to body.

Even as player myself, sometimes aim (and get also my share of) some balls to the body, or to the feet, and never have hit anyone or been hit, there's time enough to get away. The difficult thing is, get away and still make a decent shot.

What do you think? What do commentators say in your country?
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Old 08-28-2008, 10:37 AM   #2
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Default Re: aiming for body is not fair play?

Santoro must be joking or just whinning out of frustration.
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Old 08-28-2008, 10:38 AM   #3
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Default Re: aiming for body is not fair play?

I didn't see what happened but Roddick said in his press conference he didn't intend to do what he did.

As for serving legally to the body I don't see an issue myself. It's just like targeting someones backhand/forehand all the time if they are weak on that side. If people don't like it at the body then tough. If it's a legal serve I don't see a problem.
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Old 08-28-2008, 10:46 AM   #4
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Default Re: aiming for body is not fair play?

Back in the days of serve and volley, a body serve was a very effective second serve because most of the time it would be unreturned or it would result in a weak return that's easy to put away. Nothing wrong in mixing it up. Nobody even complains unless they are being grumpy which hypocritically Santoro was being. He is a great doubles player and i am sure he has made his own share of body serves over the years.
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Old 08-28-2008, 10:58 AM   #5
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Default Re: aiming for body is not fair play?

I think Fabrice was just generally tired of getting trashed. Ask him today and he'd probably say body serves are ok.
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Default Re: aiming for body is not fair play?

It surely wouldn't make sense if you had to serve to where the receiver found it most convenient to return. The whole point is to make the ball unreachable/difficult for them to play back.
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Typical whiny Santoro
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It is fair play...just try and be nice and not aim for the head.
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one day santoro is the hero and the next day he gets criticized

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Default Re: aiming for body is not fair play?

Of course it's fair play. Roddick said he wasn't going for him, but even if he was, that's part of the game. Santoro was just getting his a$$ handed to him and was frustrated as he11.
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Default Re: aiming for body is not fair play?

I suppose Santoro didn't expect a body serve, the scoreline being what it is. He wasn't fighting very hard at this point. That's what Andy said - he wouldn't have gone for him, two sets and a break up. The ball got away from him.

Andy's expression when he realized Santoro was just going to stand there, hands on hips, while he served his last serve, was hysterical.
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Old 08-28-2008, 11:42 AM   #12
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It is perfectly legal, but I had an impression that Santoro thought that Roddick wanted to humiliate him. Santoro`s body language was like :" OK, I played bad match,shit happens, you won already , there is no need to hit me with ball!" That said, I think Andy`s intention was not to humiliate Fabrice.
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It surely wouldn't make sense if you had to serve to where the receiver found it most convenient to return.
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one day santoro is the hero and the next day he gets criticized

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Santoro is in general a very nice guy, and I like him a lot, but if he complains about a bodyserve, he's just being out-of-line. No problem, all these guys are human and all of them make whiney statements once in a while. I'm sure he only did so because of disappointment - but it is indeed being whiney.
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Default Re: aiming for body is not fair play?

In this case the onus is on Santoro to do something about the body serve not for Roddick to stop doing it. If his positioning and movement were better he could have dealt with the serves. He was just frustrated as people have said and shouldn't be taken seriously.
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Default Re: aiming for body is not fair play?

I think if you aim for the body, you should go for the KO man. This is no kiddie sport. Hit it where it hurts the most.
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