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Old 09-05-2008, 03:31 AM   #1426
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I'd rather cheer for a loser any day over something as classless as that. Andy's no angel on court and we all know that, but the day he even did anything like what Novak did tonight and I'd stop supporting him instantly. There's tactless and there's just flat out fucking disgusting and stupid. I was indifferent to Novak, but not anymore. Andy only has himself to blame for the result of the match, but Novak showed his true colors to me that's for sure.
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Andy can be a choker, a loser, brainless etc...but he would NEVER ever do anything like this. I'm with Deb, I was indifferent to him but after this... yes...probably the true colors. I am disappointed b/c of the result but angry like hell b/c of what happened after it...

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Old 09-05-2008, 03:35 AM   #1427
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I didn't see the match but what you all say it was not a good one by Andy. I tought Novak had a sense of humor since he was doing this impressions of others and with his comments about others but he showed me that is the other way around. I hope he get booed the entire match against Roger and for the first time in my entire life i will be rooting for Roger.
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Basically Andy played like trash the first two sets. He was broken in half of his first 8 service games and just could barely keep a ball in play (but he wasn't going for big shots, he was missing easy rally balls). It was bad. He woke up, but he woke up too late and flat out choked at the end.

As for what happened with Novak, everyone will make up their own mind - people who viewed him positively will probably not find it as problematic as those of us who either didn't like him or like Kate and me were pretty much indifferent have found it. I don't think it can be denied that it was tactless at best and flat out disgusting at worst. Shame for everyone involved really. I guess the Andy hatasssss will say that Andy started it by joking twice about Novak's (now conveniently completely nonexistent) injuries, but I think anyone with half a brain would know that Andy was kidding, especially since Novak himself said after he beat Robredo that his next opponent would "definitely be fitter" or something. So whatever. Utterly classless and I am just glad it wasn't Andy.
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I'm still in shock about the whole thing. I like Novak and have for a while now so his comments really floor me. I always thought if anybody would get Andy's sarcastic sense of humor, it would be Novak. But I was wrong. Novak took his comments about the injuries way too seriously. Maybe he just used that to help him win tonight but I'll bet in Andy's interview tonight he will be shocked to learn that Novak took it so personally.

I've never felt so disappointed in a person in my life. Andy's crappy play bummed me out tonight but Novak's interview...I can't express how it made me feel about him.

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Just when I want to hate him, he makes it impossible.

THE MODERATOR: Questions, please.

Q. You've clearly ticked him off with comments about SARS and bird flu and everything. He took himself to bring it up in front of a stadium that booed him loudly and even Michael tried to steer it and he just kept it going. Is that a bad call on his part?

ANDY RODDICK: Well, I mean, listen, here's the deal: I mean, if you guys haven't ever seen me joke in a press conference, I'd be shocked, okay?

I think you guys know it was completely meant in jest. Listen, I had four questions from each one, I had eight questions about all the other ones. Finally after 12 questions I decided to make light of the situation and it actually stopped after that. Or it screwed me up and you guys got me out of it.

I'm willing to talk about it. I don't know if, you know ‑‑ he took it as seriously. I figure if you're going to joke and imitate other people and do the whole deal, then you should take it. Listen, if someone makes fun of me I'm most likely going to laugh. If I'm over the line I'm going to come in here and say I was ridiculous. And I was wrong. I've been the worst of it in the past. By no means am I sitting here trying to be holier than thou or anything like that. But I promise you that if somebody makes a joke about it I'll probably laugh.

I'm sorry he took it that way. There's nothing else to say. I don't think I was over the line. It wasn't my intention, and, you know, I'm sorry he felt that way. Maybe I did him a favor tonight.

Q. It was our comments back and forth, and to be honest with you, today I heard from five or six or seven people, I heard it on ESPN, I heard it on USA, those types of things have legs, whether you like it...

ANDY RODDICK: I should know better, but listen, I joke all the time. I don't think anybody in their right mind takes me serious. I think it's very clear when I give a serious answer and when I don't give a serious answer.

Maybe that part ‑‑ maybe I should know better, you know, but in my eyes it's an innocent comment. I felt that most people found it funny and I tried to build it up ‑‑ if you look at the transcript, I'm saying, I'm 3, he's 8. It's straightforward. I'm trying to build it up as like I'm the favorite. I said listen, if you want to go last 10 days or go the last 10 months, he's been the best hardcourt player. I'm throwing truthful things the whole time. If someone wants to focus in on that and use it, then by all means, but especially in Novak's case, if you're going to dish out all the stuff, then be able to take it with a smile, is the only part that I don't quite agree with.

Q. Have you had an opportunity to talk to him afterward?

ANDY RODDICK: Anything that's going to be said between Novak and I is going to stay between Novak and I because I'm not going to air out private conversations in front of you guys, because I just don't feel like that's necessary.

Q. You were serving 5‑4, it looked like it was going to go into a fifth set. You had two really good serves to start. What happened from there on?

ANDY RODDICK: Well, I doubled twice, but you know what? I honestly don't feel like they were super‑tight doubles, and I've been going for bigger second serves kind of the whole way back because he was jumping on my second serve early. :retard: Just missed them. :retard: He had a really good shot on break point.

I've been playing pretty high‑risk, high‑reward tennis and I probably wasn't about to stop.

Given the choice again, I'd probably go for them, you know. That's what got me back in the match.

Q. You looked pretty nervous at the start of the match. Was there something bothering you or just the pressure?

ANDY RODDICK: I just wasn't seeing the ball. I felt like everything was a little bit rushed, and it was unfortunate. By the time I got my legs under me he was on a little bit of a roll. The fourth set I hit the ball as well as I have this whole tournament. Credit to him on the tiebreaker, he really beared down on a couple of points where I really hit the ball well to win it. He's great at winning those tough matches, and I'm disappointed that I spotted him a set before I actually got my feet under me, but, you know, I'm happy with the effort I made to try to come back.

Q. Matches can turn on a dime, but if you hold, going into the fifth set it's a whole different match.

ANDY RODDICK: Yeah, I know that.

Q. But I mean, it turned that quick for you.

ANDY RODDICK: Well, it turned that quick for me to get back into it, also. That's tennis. It's a service break. A service break and stuff changes. You know, especially about ‑‑ I get someone who's not going to let you make mistakes.

I probably would get out of that game against a lot of people with a serve‑and‑volley player and they don't hit a topspin lob for a winner. You've got to give credit there. Like I said I missed those two serves but I don't feel like I nursed them. I feel like I hit them okay.

You know, there's not a whole lot of regret in the way I played the last two sets. The first two is another story. Like I said, I dug myself a hole that was real tough to get out of. I gave it my best shot to get out them but I think it was too little too late.

Q. Are you, you know, the way you played the way you gutted it out, if you look back, I know it's a little bit difficult because the tournament just ended for you, but are you happy, can you look back and reflect and take some positives out of this tournament, Andy?

ANDY RODDICK: I think. I was playing like absolute crap when I got here. I mean, really, really bad. Not confident after coming back from the injuries, and it was, you know, I just didn't feel clean with anything, and, you know, I played some good tennis here, and ended playing good tennis.

You know, it was just the front part of the match today that got me. So, you know, it's disappointing. It's really disappointing.

But I feel better now than I did, you know, at the beginning of the summer, like Wimbledon and then through those tournaments and Toronto where I played pretty bad and Cincy where I had to pull out. I never got started. This tournament was better than that.

I said the other day you can go in two directions, and I feel like I'm going in the better direction now than I was, you know, when we first talked in that press conference on that Saturday.

Q. Do you feel like handicapping that semifinal match between Roger and Novak at all?

ANDY RODDICK: I'm not touching anything. (laughter.)

Q. He played high level in the breaker, but anything you think you could have done differently or just the 5‑All point you played tremendous defense?

ANDY RODDICK: I played a bad shot there but honestly I felt like I bested him back enough. I got with a short one a couple of times. I probably didn't hit it. It's probably the only shot I nursed in the last two sets. But I mean I played a couple of great points up to, and credit to him, at 5‑All point he just beared down and played big. I don't know how long the rally was but I felt like I hit four or five huge balls and he fought them off and that's why he's been successful.
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I am very disappointed with Andy's choke job. I have to reconcile myself with the delusion that Djokovic would have prevailed in the fifth set.

Before the match (which I had expected Djokovic to win), I had resolved that I would root for the winner of the match against Federer (whose arrogance I detest). However, after Djokovic's classless on-court interview, I will not be watching the Federer-Djokovic match and will be hoping that Nadal crushes the winner of that match. As an aside, I cannot even bear the thought of Murray in the final.

It is sad that out of four semifinalists, there will only be one who is remotely pleasant.
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I figure if you're going to joke and imitate other people and do the whole deal, then you should take it.



As much as I'd love for Andy to come back swinging, this presser is exactly why, no matter how much of a he is, I always like him.
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Weird and disappointing match. WTF was with first two sets? Then a comeback, and after a break in the 4th I already thought that we will be in the 5th. And then this choke with DFs And that awful dropshot in the breaker

A good presser by Andy. As usually. At least here he's No 1 for sure.

Mixed feelings after this one. I still haven't given up on hope that he can win another slam. There are moments, which indicate that he's still able to compete with the very best. If he manages to stay healthy, and if he manages to play agressive (he had good groundies in 3rd and 4th today!), I really believe that he can still do it.

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I am very disappointed with Andy's choke job. I have to reconcile myself with the delusion that Djokovic would have prevailed in the fifth set.

Before the match (which I had expected Djokovic to win), I had resolved that I would root for the winner of the match against Federer (whose arrogance I detest). However, after Djokovic's classless on-court interview, I will not be watching the Federer-Djokovic match and will be hoping that Nadal crushes the winner of that match. As an aside, I cannot even bear the thought of Murray in the final.

It is sad that out of four semifinalists, there will only be one who is remotely pleasant.
Well, I feel pretty much the same, because..

I dislike Nadal.
I dislike Murray.
I dislike Djokovic.
And although I like Roger, I don't want him to surpass Pete's 14 GS.

So, I think I'm done with tennis this week and will better spend time somewhere in the nature without Internet and TV
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Maybe I will just focus on the women -- since I like all four remaining semifinalists.
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Couldn't say it better myself.

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I think after the mens doubles final tomorrow, I will do the same. We are having beautiful weather in LA and a long late-summer swim tomorrow sounds very appealing
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A bizarre and disappointing match. Andy will have to be content with his one slam, that was his best chance of nabbing a second.

I'm gobsmacked by Novak's comments. He really took it personally what Andy said. I guess that helped fire him up. Andy could have used some firing up of his own but he choked it away in the end.

I like Novak. I'm not looking forward to hearing him get booed by the crowd throughout his match with Roger. Good news for Roger. For once the NYC crowd will be 100% behind him.

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I'm still in shock about the whole thing. I like Novak and have for a while now so his comments really floor me. I always thought if anybody would get Andy's sarcastic sense of humor, it would be Novak. But I was wrong. Novak took his comments about the injuries way too seriously. Maybe he just used that to help him win tonight but I'll bet in Andy's interview tonight he will be shocked to learn that Novak took it so personally.

I've never felt so disappointed in a person in my life. Andy's crappy play bummed me out tonight but Novak's interview...I can't express how it made me feel about him.
I have to agree with most of what you've written here Tangy. I watched Nole's interview and I was STUNNED. I kept waiting for him to crack a smile and say he was just kidding, as if he had just played the best joke of all on everyone watching, but he just kept going. And he was the one who started it when he said 'whoever it is, my next opponent will be in better shape than me.' Nole wasn't even Phelps-like, saying that he used the quote to get fired up, he was just mean. To EVERYONE. I'm still stunned...

I can't write him off, come on I'm friends with Justin so obviously I believe in second chances, but my goodness that was a hard thing to watch. I would bet that Andy will find him soon, if he hasn't already. There is a part of me that hopes that Nole came to his senses somewhere since the end of that match and called Andy first to apologize, but I doubt that will happen.

I still have two horses in the race, so I'll be watching for sure on Saturday. Perhaps I'll figure out what to do with the second guy in my signature by then. Right now all I can do is shrug and shake my head in his general direction.


Ya done well Andy (for the most part). Keep it going and pick up points for the rest of the season. You can still make it to Shanghai if you play a real schedule.
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Lucky you! We in Latvia have +15 C and a rainy weather

Still... a BBQ + beer eve, or partying around the clubs sounds more appealing than watching men's semis

Hopefully, Bryans will win Although I like Dlouhy/Paes as well.
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Lucky you! We in Latvia have +15 C and a rainy weather

Still... a BBQ + beer eve, or partying around the clubs sounds more appealing than watching men's semis

Hopefully, Bryans will win Although I like Dlouhy/Paes as well.
Well we are spoiled in LA for weather, but it's been particularly nice the past few days. Enjoy whatever you do

Paes to me is almost as obnoxious as what Novak did tonight (ever since he mocked the Bryans by imitating their bump in a match he lost, thank god, I've never ever supported Paes), so I would be very unhappy to see Paes win two slams, but anyway....
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Well we are spoiled in LA for weather, but it's been particularly nice the past few days. Enjoy whatever you do

Paes to me is almost as obnoxious as what Novak did tonight (ever since he mocked the Bryans by imitating their bump in a match he lost, thank god, I've never ever supported Paes), so I would be very unhappy to see Paes win two slams, but anyway....
Yeah, I know that Paes is one obnoxious character, but I like his game, so that kinda offsets for that

Thanks, Deb! And have a good swim after Bryans' win tomorrow
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