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Old 07-27-2008, 03:46 AM   #121
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Mourier did exactly what all the umpires do when they are going as far as they dare. They wait until a big point. Rafa was a set and break up, was serving to consolidate and fell behind 15-40, 30-40. While he took much longer on previous points, he got the warning serving at break point, and promptly double faulted. The closest the umpire dares without taking point penalty.

If the umpire really was bent on enforcing the rules, he'd call out the violation as soon as it happens, the FIRST time, on some meaningless point if it happens to be. Then the players would know, or be aware, that there might be another code violation and a point penalty coming down the pike later.
Spot on.

I would really appreciate to see an umpire indeed bent on enforcing the rules like you state... but it's not going to happen, alas.
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Old 07-27-2008, 03:46 AM   #122
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Calling a warning when he is facing two break points is a shit thing to do. Wait till a less important point.
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Calling a warning when he is facing two break points is a shit thing to do. Wait till a less important point.
Nonsense. The rules are there for a reason. Whatever a point is due should not be a decive matter at all.
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Nonsense. The rules are there for a reason. Whatever a point is due should not be a decive matter at all.
But as the announcer pointed out, on the point he got warned on, he was actually quicker to serve than on several other points before where he took longer. I'm sorry but that was a crappy thing for that ump to do.
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Nonsense. The rules are there for a reason. Whatever a point is due should not be a decive matter at all.
Theoretically yes. But if he did it before already a dozen of times, you're going to wonder why it was especially this point.

It's a bit like in basketball. The whole match the ref doesn't make an illegal defense call at all. Then suddenly they're making this call at 80-80 with 10 seconds to go
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Theoretically yes. But if he did it before already a dozen of times, you're going to wonder why it was especially this point.
Exactly my point! I don't mind if he gets warned for it, but to ignore it all match then suddenly call it when he if facing 2 BP's is super lame.
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But as the announcer pointed out, on the point he got warned on, he was actually quicker to serve than on several other points before where he took longer. I'm sorry but that was a crappy thing for that ump to do.
The umpires seem to be really scared to enforce the RULES of the game as soon as a violation is made. I agree that this was a bad moment, Mourier should indeed have pointed it out sooner. Alas, it looks like the umpires are afraid of implying the rules when it needs to be done... i.e. at the FIRST time when a player breaks a rule.

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Theoretically yes. But if he did it before already a dozen of times, you're going to wonder why it was especially this point.
That's true, and here's my point, again: umpires should call out players IMMEDIATELY when they break the time rules (or any other rule btw). And in case said player does it again - a loss of a point.
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no one.

if u're good, you shouldn't lose to someone who takes extra 20 seconds anyway...
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The umpires seem to be really scared to enforce the RULES of the game as soon as a violation is made. I agree that this was a bad moment, Mourier should indeed have pointed it out sooner. Alas, it looks like the umpires are afraid of implying the rules when it needs to be done... i.e. at the FIRST time when a player breaks a rule.



That's true, and here's my point, again: umpires should call out players IMMEDIATELY when they break the time rules (or any other rule btw). And in case said player does it again - a loss of a point.
Perhaps. But when the umpire does not call a warning throughout the match and waits until a crucial point to call a warning, that is also wrong.
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Mourier did exactly what all the umpires do when they are going as far as they dare. They wait until a big point. Rafa was a set and break up, was serving to consolidate and fell behind 15-40, 30-40. While he took much longer on previous points, he got the warning serving at break point, and promptly double faulted. The closest the umpire dares without taking point penalty.

If the umpire really was bent on enforcing the rules, he'd call out the violation as soon as it happens, the FIRST time, on some meaningless point if it happens to be. Then the players would know, or be aware, that there might be another code violation and a point penalty coming down the pike later.
Exactly. Doing the former is unprofessional and certainly deserves an angry response from any player. Nadal was pretty lowkey in venting his justified anger.
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Perhaps. But when the umpire does not call a warning throughout the match and waits until a crucial point to call a warning, that is also wrong.
That is exactly what I alreay said.
Do it IMMEDIATELY, and not wait till the player in question has done so a multiple amount of times...
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Exactly. Doing the former is unprofessional and certainly deserves an angry response from any player. Nadal was pretty lowkey in venting his justified anger.
You guys do realize that calling the time violation earlier woudl mean the next one would be a point taken? I perceive the decision as it was as a not very good compromise - I won't dare slap you with a point loss, so I'll issue the warning at a more important point.

I really think they should enforce the time rules consistently throughout the match and throughout the season. Nadal is not the only one prone to preparing long enough that I think I'll be retired by the time he serves. The guy on the other side of the net has to be ready to return, it breaks the rhythm. If the rule was enforced consistently, I'm sure the players would grow out of the habit.
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All said, I have nothing against long prepared serves, I couldn't care less if the rule is changed to 50sec instead of 20. I see no point whatsoever in running around Duracell rabbit-like as Agassi used to do, it actually makes me nervous.
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