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Old 07-27-2008, 04:23 AM   #136
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Old 07-27-2008, 05:06 AM   #137
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Seriously? You guys want the rule enforced to the letter every time? I doubt any player, not Rafa, not Federer, not anybody would be in favor of that. The time limit is there because there has to be a limit or else some players would take extreme advantage of the lack of one, but there always has and always will be (and always should be) room for discretion on the part of the umpires. To give you one of a dozen examples that spring to mind, say a player minorly tweaks an ankle or a knee, or takes an otherwise awkward fall, and decides not to call a trainer or can't call a trainer, but takes an extra 10 seconds to mentally/physically recover. According to you people that should mean an automatic warning/point penalty/default. I doubt many ATP players would agree with you on that.

Yes, I know that situation is different than Rafa (among many many others)going over by a whole 2-3 (or even 5! ZOMG!) seconds a few times throughout the match, but frankly the game of tennis would be incredibly lame if umpires started getting crazily anal about things so trivial. If a player feels "gamed" I doubt mant would let any supposed feelings of intimidation stop them from complaining when not doing so has such enormous consequences from an income, ranking, and pride perspective.

I think the analogy to traveling in basketball is quite apt. No one wants to watch a sport that is 100% faithful to 100% of the letter of the law 100% of the time.
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Old 07-27-2008, 05:28 AM   #138
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^^ I don't think Agassi thought it is trivial when he went to sit in a line judge's chair while waiting for Nadal to serve. You realize that one can be consistent without being anal? Umpire's exericise discretion on many different calls and would still do for time violations, meaning that they wouldn't call one if you twist your ankle, someone shouted in the crowd or whatever else is perceived as valid reason.

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Old 07-27-2008, 07:22 AM   #139
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Nadal bores me to death 90% because of that. The 10% left are for his game.
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Old 07-27-2008, 02:22 PM   #140
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^^ I don't think Agassi thought it is trivial when he went to sit in a line judge's chair while waiting for Nadal to serve. You realize that one can be consistent without being anal? Umpire's exericise discretion on many different calls and would still do for time violations, meaning that they wouldn't call one if you twist your ankle, someone shouted in the crowd or whatever else is perceived as valid reason.
Exactly. The player complained because at that point he felt he was being negatively affected by someone violating the rules. That works for me and it works for the vast majority of players, I reckon. Plenty of people here have as good as said that the umpire should call every single time violation, though, and that is simply a ridiculous idea. Personally, I think discretion also should be use when a players goes over only by a couple seconds or so and the other player clearly doesn't mind. As far as I'm concerned the spirit of the rule has still been observed in that case. No doubt this is likely an "agree to disagree" point, but no one will convince me that any sport would be better off if discretion was not allowed on minor rules such as this, even if it sometimes leads to "unfair" non rulings. Incidentally, that's also why I'm in favor of players calling their own lines, but that's another discussion
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Exactly. The player complained because at that point he felt he was being negatively affected by someone violating the rules. That works for me and it works for the vast majority of players, I reckon.
This seems to be the point we disagree on the most. Agassi found a humorous way to indicate that it is way overboard. Most players won't react at all, but it doesn't mean it's not bothering them. It shouldn't be up to players to complain, it's the umpire's job.
It's not as if they have a clock and 1-2 seconds can be noted, an alarm would go off and a warning issued. It's about good judgment that would prevent such things as a regular occurrence. In my view, it would be far more efficient and less controversial to enforce it regularly, rather than disregard the issue for the most time and than issue one warning in an important match on an important point.
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Old 07-27-2008, 03:36 PM   #142
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I don't know what TV commentators have said, but the Masters Series livestream commentators said that it was only natural that the time warning would be on a big point, because that is precisely when Nadal usually takes the most time before serving.
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I don't know what TV commentators have said, but the Masters Series livestream commentators said that it was only natural that the time warning would be on a big point, because that is precisely when Nadal usually takes the most time before serving.
Well,, that's commonsense that Nadal will take more time on a big point, he's not going to be too slow at 5-1 40-0 is he?
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Well,, that's commonsense that Nadal will take more time on a big point, he's not going to be too slow at 5-1 40-0 is he?
I'm not denying that. I'm agreeing with the AMSTV people who said that Nadal complaining because it was always on big points that he got the warning was silly, because it is on big points that he usually takes too much time and that it therefore follows that it is then he gets warnings.
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I'm not denying that. I'm agreeing with the AMSTV people who said that Nadal complaining because it was always on big points that he got the warning was silly, because it is on big points that he usually takes too much time and that it therefore follows that it is then he gets warnings.
Considering Nadal gets pulled up less than 1% of the time, he does it, it's quite funny he complains.
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when will players grow some balls and do some timewasting themselves...

maybe on the brink of inevitable defeat, some clown can get defaulted for time watsing while playing against nadal... simply to prove a point...

of course... 2 wrongs dont make a right and this would against go the spirit of the game, otherwise known as a Novak Djokovic.
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i also think that an opponent calling 1 nadal foot fault every second service game would be an ideal way to rattle him...

of course... no one uses drugs on tour so this wont be happening...

well... almost no one...
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He's a cry baby.
If Rafa is a crybaby, what the hell does that make players like Roddick and Murray?
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this is the time to get him. took about 30 seconds for him to serve.
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