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Old 09-05-2012, 05:37 PM   #1621
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When those players are idiots like Stakhovsky, Simon and Tisarevic then no, their opinions are not important.

Whatever you may think of the media and tennis commentators, it is them that were pushing the slams on the matter and it was them that provided all the positive coverage when it finally happened. Tennis is a business and it need to promote itself in the best light possible. It has to court the media and bow to public pressure in order to prosper. Equal prize money provided a platform to do that and tennis has shown itself to be a pioneer among sports.

You are just a nobody on a forum and that is why your opinion on equal prize money didn't prevent it happening and won't cause it to be overturned.
Idiots meaning people who disagree with you.

You are mad if you think real people give a flying fuck what the "media" says. This ridiculous idea is promoted relentlessly by - you guessed it - the media, to the point where otherwise rational people assume it to be true, but if you ever have a normal non-mediated social interaction with somebody you will soon find it to be false.

Tennis could have "promoted" itself far better by separating itself completely from the pseudo-sporting farce that is the WTA.
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Old 09-05-2012, 05:45 PM   #1622
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Huh? What happened last night?
Hypnotize sounds like one of those kids who threatens to take the ball away if not elected captain or MVP...

Hey, Hyp, Justin Gimelstob is part of the Media now, does his opinion count too?
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Old 09-05-2012, 05:56 PM   #1623
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It shouldn't have happened in the first place then none of this would be going on.
Really? A debate had been raging for years about equal prize money and you actually believe if the GS hadn't bowed to the pressure and awarded it, we wouldn't be talking about it now?
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Idiots meaning people who disagree with you.

You are mad if you think real people give a flying fuck what the "media" says. This ridiculous idea is promoted relentlessly by - you guessed it - the media, to the point where otherwise rational people assume it to be true, but if you ever have a normal non-mediated social interaction with somebody you will soon find it to be false.

Tennis could have "promoted" itself far better by separating itself completely from the pseudo-sporting farce that is the WTA.
And your "normal non-mediated social interaction" is what? This forum? Haha, no wonder you are so out of touch and still fighting a battle that was lost long ago.

As to your final point about the two tours separating, you will find few supporters for that except maybe on the "normal non-mediated social interaction" (love that phrase) that is MTF but only among the posters who have yet to reach puberty. As I keep telling you, tennis is a business and its success lies in reaching the widest audience possible. In a difficult market, tennis is doing remarkably well and being a sport that values and promotes both sexes is part of the reason why. You only have to look at the increased number of combined events to see the ATP recognises that as well.
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Really? A debate had been raging for years about equal prize money and you actually believe if the GS hadn't bowed to the pressure and awarded it, we wouldn't be talking about it now?
The whining feminists would be yeah but they're not important.
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You are NOT comparing likes for likes. I repeat NOT. What you need to look at is the average length of a match and how much entertainment it brings. Since we want to argue that sexes provide equal entertainment, the bigger quantity of entertainment should mean men get paid more. I don't see how anyone could dispute this without carrying out an extensive study of entertainment by sex in tennis .
How do you even measure this? Entertainment value is arbitrary. Not every men's match is entertaining. Are you going to start paying players based on whose match is more entertaining? What do you even mean by entertaining? Good quality shots? Amusing antics? Are you suggesting the ITF pay Monfils more money to act like a circus clown?
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the ITF doesn't need to pay monfils to act like a clown, he does it quite happily in his natural state

anyway, it's bad for the game when titsarevic is talking about prize money. perhaps he should win something first
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What other sport has equal pay for its competitors aside from tennis?
What other sport, especially with regards to team sports, actually have equal pay for teammates who put in the same amount of effort? Is it fair that Ronaldo and Messi get more money than Xavi and Xabi Alonso when they all typically play the full 90+ minutes and put in just as much effort as their more PR-promoted teammates?
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Old 09-05-2012, 07:07 PM   #1629
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I'm kind of getting tired of this debate because no one will change their mind on it but it is so ridiculous that people keep criticizing certain ATP players when almost all the players feel the same way. I don't know what Tipsarevic's issue is but Simon and Stakh were elected to the board and are speaking on behalf of the players on this issue. Davydenko, Djokobic, Tsonga, Malisse and on and on have said they agree with the comments they have made.

I would bet around 95% of straight men feel that women shouldn't get equal prize money in sports, it's just the way it is. It may be unfortunate but men do not place equal value on women playing sports, they just don't. It's viewed as similar to the minor leagues in baseball or Serie B in soccer. Some may say otherwise in public and around women so that they don't get beaten up over it but get a group of men together, even progressive ones, and ask them what they think of women's sports and you'll get responses ranging from indifference to derision. If you support equal prize money and the ATP it's best to just ignore the comments from players because you're going to be inevitably disappointed. There's a reason why even Fed and Nadal haven't spoken out in favor of equal prize money, because they likely don't agree either.
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I still haven't seen one good argument for equal prize money except that it would be a PR-disaster, which of course is true.



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What other sport, especially with regards to team sports, actually have equal pay for teammates who put in the same amount of effort? Is it fair that Ronaldo and Messi get more money than Xavi and Xabi Alonso when they all typically play the full 90+ minutes and put in just as much effort as their more PR-promoted teammates?
What does effort have to do with anything? Messi and Ronaldo get more money because they are better, more skilled and more important than others and so are valued higher. "The same effort" is such a strange and poor argument.
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Women's side is keeping this tournament interesting. They don't have to play 5 sets, if three last longer than what the men are producing.
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Women's side is keeping this tournament interesting. They don't have to play 5 sets, if three last longer than what the men are producing.
You said, and I quote that men's slams should be BO3 so your opinion is irrelevant.
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I'm kind of getting tired of this debate because no one will change their mind on it but it is so ridiculous that people keep criticizing certain ATP players when almost all the players feel the same way. I don't know what Tipsarevic's issue is but Simon and Stakh were elected to the board and are speaking on behalf of the players on this issue. Davydenko, Djokobic, Tsonga, Malisse and on and on have said they agree with the comments they have made.

I would bet around 95% of straight men feel that women shouldn't get equal prize money in sports, it's just the way it is. It may be unfortunate but men do not place equal value on women playing sports, they just don't. It's viewed as similar to the minor leagues in baseball or Serie B in soccer. Some may say otherwise in public and around women so that they don't get beaten up over it but get a group of men together, even progressive ones, and ask them what they think of women's sports and you'll get responses ranging from indifference to derision. If you support equal prize money and the ATP it's best to just ignore the comments from players because you're going to be inevitably disappointed. There's a reason why even Fed and Nadal haven't spoken out in favor of equal prize money, because they likely don't agree either.
Firstly, Simon and Stakhovsky are expressing their personal opinions. In no way are they speaking on behalf of the players.

Secondly, when has Djokovic said he agreed with their views? I'm not saying he hasn't, I'm just interested to know when he did so.

Thirdly, the reason these players have been so heavily criticised is because there is no reason for them to pick this fight which can only damage the sport. The women aren't taking money away from them and there is no prospect the decision to award equal pay will be reversed so what is the point of them bringing it up? Is it just to cause trouble? Is it because they are unlikeable players who would never receive any attention unless they say something controversial?

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Stick to tennis love, you haven't got a clue about football.
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Thirdly, the reason these players have been so heavily criticised is because there is no reason for them to pick this fight which can only damage the sport. The women aren't taking money away from them and there is no prospect the decision to award equal pay will be reversed so what is the point of them bringing it up? Is it just to cause trouble? Is it because they are unlikeable players who would never receive any attention unless they say something controversial?
I quite honestly can't believe that such a juvenile a nd petty person such as you is also made out of 70% water just like me. It's mindboggling.

Tipsarevic, Stakhovsky and Simon are each more likable and interesting that 90% of the joke tour that is the WTA.

The absolutely hilarious part of this debate is that Stakhovsky didn't say that he wants women to receive less. He even explicitly said that he doesn't care how much women earn. Yet, whiny feminists and the homosexuals over at TF keep whining because Stakhy is making statements and arguments he literally never made.

What absolutely gets me is that, the main argument that these supposed "mysogynists" produce, the best of 5 sets argument, is actually far more progressive and egalitarian that any of those queens could possibly even conceive. Topsy basically says that it's laughable that women here are made to play a different, physically less demanding sport....just because.

Feminists used to complain because women weren't allowed to run marathons. Now they complain because Tipsy wants them to play the sport under the same rules. This is the first time a guy asking for equal pay for equal work is derided as a sexist ****.

I also haven't seen a bunch of people torn apart quite as hard as the girls here in this thread. I mean you probably can't even comprehend how superior these guys are to you in reasoning and debating skill, but let me tell you, it's a MASSACRE.
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