[GarethHodges]

Depending on where you read, John McEnroe has either won 76 or 77 ATP Tour Titles, Stefan Edberg has either won 41 or 42 and Jimmy Connors has either won 105 or 109.

Try typing either "John McEnroe", "76 titles" into a search engine and then try "John McEnroe", "77 titles" for example and you'll find a number of webpages supporting both amounts. The same applies to Connors and Edberg with the above amounts.

I was wondering whether any tennis fans could tell me where the confusion lies - I would imagine that Connors, for example, did win 109 titles but perhaps 4 didn't meet a certain criteria set out and therefore it is officially 105.

Does anybody know the answer?

[Ballbuster]

Edberg has 42, McEnroe has 76, Connors has 106-1. whoop!!!

go to atptennis.com for reliable tennis information from now on

[GarethHodges]

Originally Posted by gbpgbp02

Edberg has 42, McEnroe has 76, Connors has 106-1. whoop!!!

go to atptennis.com for reliable tennis information from now on

Hi mate,

That was the first place that I looked - and I am aware of those official statistics.

However, the question was "where does the confusion lie?"

I am interested to know how scores of other well-respected sources suggest that McEnroe has won 77 titles, Edberg 41 and Connors 109.

These sources have included, or failed to include, titles which these players have obviously won when they totted them all up, and I am interested to know why these titles have or haven't been included on the ATP statistics.

[Ballbuster]

look go with the ATP's info, the other numbers might include exhibition titles that are not ATP events

[GarethHodges]

Originally Posted by gbpgbp02

look go with the ATP's info, the other numbers might include exhibition titles that are not ATP events

BUT...

I've typed "Stefan Edberg", "41 titles" into a search engine and I have literally found hundreds of webpages supporting the fact that he has won 41 titles. None of the 42 listed on the ATP website are exhibitions so where does the confusion lie in this case?

[Ballbuster]

wtf, what the hell does it matter, are you trying to put Bud Collins out of business and make a better encyclopedia? the ATP is the official, stick with that

[GarethHodges]

Originally Posted by gbpgbp02

wtf, what the hell does it matter, are you trying to put Bud Collins out of business and make a better encyclopedia? the ATP is the official, stick with that

Hi again! I'm just trying to find out why so many other sources have the same, contradictive, information on this subject to the ATP website.

On a website I've just found, the "41" titles that Edberg has won are listed but the Olympic Gold Medal he won in 1984 is absent from the list.

However, Andre Agassi has conclusively won 58 titles, which includes a 1996 Olympic Gold Medal. So were Olympic Gold medals only included from 1988 onwards in career titles - as Marc Rosset (1988 Olympic Gold Medalist) conclusively won 15 titles, which includes that Olympic Gold Medal.

[Ballbuster]

OK, Mr more obsessed than GWH, i just called all three legends and I was right

[chris whiteside]

Can you not get a list of the "41" titles and the "42" titles and see what one is missing from the lesser list?

[GarethHodges]

I've just discovered that tennis was only included in the 1984 Olympic Games as a demonstration sport which is why many of the sources which say he only won 41 titles do not include it in their figures.

[GarethHodges]

By the way, a demonstration sport means that it is still an event which forms part of the Olympics, but there are no gold/silver/bronze medals on offer. It has been a full medal Olympic Games event in 1988, 1992, 1996, 2000 and will be again this summer in Athens.

[CarnivalCarnage]

Originally Posted by gbpgbp02

wtf, what the hell does it matter, are you trying to put Bud Collins out of business and make a better encyclopedia? the ATP is the official, stick with that

Idiot.

[CarnivalCarnage]

Originally Posted by GarethHodges

By the way, a demonstration sport means that it is still an event which forms part of the Olympics, but there are no gold/silver/bronze medals on offer. It has been a full medal Olympic Games event in 1988, 1992, 1996, 2000 and will be again this summer in Athens.

Well that answers Edberg.

As for Connors, given the era in which he played his early and most prolific portion of his career, it doesn't surprise me that there are differing viewpoints on his career titles.

[GarethHodges]

Originally Posted by CarnivalCarnage

Well that answers Edberg.

As for Connors, given the era in which he played his early and most prolific portion of his career, it doesn't surprise me that there are differing viewpoints on his career titles.

Hi mate. The McEnroe one is strange too because it is a widely regarded fact that John McEnroe won 77 singles titles and 77 doubles titles, yet the ATP site states that he won 76 singles titles.

[CarnivalCarnage]

Originally Posted by GarethHodges

Hi mate. The McEnroe one is strange too because it is a widely regarded fact that John McEnroe won 77 singles titles and 77 doubles titles, yet the ATP site states that he won 76 singles titles.

You're quite right. Have you checked ITF yet?