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Old 03-26-2014, 04:19 PM   #1
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Hopefully Jo find so Form during this clay, he gotta alot points too defend

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Hopefully he get an WC or add two more event too his Schedule during Clay Season like Barcelona Open Banc Sabadell, Portugal Open or
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What Tsonga had too say about his lost too Murray

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Tsonga in l'Equipe post Murray: It isn't easy. This might be one of the first times I've felt impotent against him. I work work work ... there are moments that are more difficult than others. This was one of them.

(About the heat) You feel like stopping. But, OK, you have to get a hold of yourself and get back into the fight. It's hard to find any positives at moments like these. You have to try and find some to hold on to.

I think of the future and and about older players who are still playing well. It can come back at any time if you're serious about it.

I have no explanation. I just have to keep working. Maybe there's a reason, but I don't know it. I have to keep looking.
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He should vulture a 250, unless he gets to the final of MC. Getting that 8th seed for RG is very possible.
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I'm not confident at all regarding Jo on clay. On the positive side, he seems fine physically but his game and confidence are in the gutter right now. He's probably the worst returner at ATP level right now and even his FH is leaking errors, on clay the lack of confidence and therefore consistency in his game could be even further exposed.

As I said though, his 'crisis' doesn't seem to be physical so I wouldn't totally write him off yet, I don't expect much from the clay season but I believe in a grass season ressurgence ala 2011
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I'm not confident at all regarding Jo on clay. On the positive side, he seems fine physically but his game and confidence are in the gutter right now. He's probably the worst returner at ATP level right now and even his FH is leaking errors...
Did you see his DC match on Friday? It was the best I've seen him play in a good while. He served great... +30 aces, and even saved 2 match points with aces. The big forehand was firing again, and his return game was miles better... even hitting backhand return winners. His confidence seemed much better than recently, so I think going back to his old racquet might have helped him. Gojowczyk played an unbelievable match, hitting forehands like Soderling. Jo was very unlucky to lose.

He's definitely not the worst returner in ATP right now. He's not even the worst returner in the top 12. If he can win today against Kamke, it could be a real turning point for him.
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Pretty sure Lenders hasn't seen the first 2 sets of Friday's match. It was really high quality from both players.
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France is into the Davis Cup SF comeback from 0-2 down to beat Germany 3-2.
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Did you see his DC match on Friday? It was the best I've seen him play in a good while. He served great... +30 aces, and even saved 2 match points with aces. The big forehand was firing again, and his return game was miles better... even hitting backhand return winners. His confidence seemed much better than recently, so I think going back to his old racquet might have helped him. Gojowczyk played an unbelievable match, hitting forehands like Soderling. Jo was very unlucky to lose.

He's definitely not the worst returner in ATP right now. He's not even the worst returner in the top 12. If he can win today against Kamke, it could be a real turning point for him.
Yes, I watched it and wasn't impressed at all. Gojo is a challenger level player, one Jo would have definitely broken down if he had been more consistent from the back of the court or assertive when he took the initiative. In the end, Gojo was cramping and super tired and still Jo couldn't make enough returns or be consistent enough to get a break. And beating Kamke isn't a turning point, it's the very minimum that's required and no indication at all that Tsonga is ready to get back to top 10 level or anything.

The main problem for Jo, though not the only one, right now is that for the most part he does absolutely nothing with his second serve returns so his opponents are never under any sort of pressure on their service games. We'll see what happens on the clay, his erratic game off both wings will be badly exposed if he doesn't improve a lot. Hopefully France's win at least helps him with confidence.
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Yes, I watched it and wasn't impressed at all. Gojo is a challenger level player, one Jo would have definitely broken down if he had been more consistent from the back of the court or assertive when he took the initiative. In the end, Gojo was cramping and super tired and still Jo couldn't make enough returns or be consistent enough to get a break. And beating Kamke isn't a turning point, it's the very minimum that's required and no indication at all that Tsonga is ready to get back to top 10 level or anything.

The main problem for Jo, though not the only one, right now is that for the most part he does absolutely nothing with his second serve returns so his opponents are never under any sort of pressure on their service games. We'll see what happens on the clay, his erratic game off both wings will be badly exposed if he doesn't improve a lot. Hopefully France's win at least helps him with confidence.
We'll just have to agree to disagree on both players performances on Friday. To me, Jo is improving. His big issue seems to be confidence, so beating Kamke should help him a lot - not for beating Kamke in particular, but for saving his country from DC elimination while being under huge pressure and expectation. That, and France going through to the SF, will hopefully be a big boost for him.
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I really hoping he play an smaller an event or two, like the BMW open or Portugal Open
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(9) Jo-Wilfried Tsonga v BYE
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