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No. I think Federer's decline is a fact and he's not winning any major in the future. 38 17.35%
I kinda agree... He's in a great moment, but the other 2 guys are too good. No more slams for Feddy 45 20.55%
I totally agree. Fed's still playing great tennis and he'll probably win another major 104 47.49%
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Old 01-26-2013, 03:06 AM   #1396
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i guess ATP should strip agassi from all of his titles
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Old 01-26-2013, 03:45 AM   #1397
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Not quite. You also forget that he beat Baghdatis in AO 06 final, who is arguably worse than Shuettler (the german made top 5 at least)
This hows how limited your tennis knowledge is, and obviously you didn't watch how Baghdatis played in 2006 AO.
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Old 01-26-2013, 03:47 AM   #1398
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This hows how limited your tennis knowledge is, and obviously you didn't watch how Baghdatis played in 2006 AO.
Getting hot for one tournament does not make you a good player. Baghdatis is 12-25 rank player who was in the zone for a week.
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Getting hot for one tournament does not make you a good player. Baghdatis is 12-25 rank player who was in the zone for a week.
but the level of tennis he was playing that week was closer to the top 2 than it was to 20-25. He made Fed look ordinary for 2 sets .
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but the level of tennis he was playing that week was closer to the top 2 than it was to 20-25. He made Fed look ordinary for 2 sets .
But overall the guys not an elite player. Stop trying to prop up that win.
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One thing I don't get about FEderer is why did his decline happen so young? It happened around middle of 2007, imo, and then he was 25, nearly 26. That's very young to have declined to be honest. Look at Djokovic, he's gonna be 26 and has been playing for a pretty long time now and it doesn't seem he has declined, same for Murray. In fact it seems both have improved in recent years rather than decline. Nadal has also declined but it wasn't a surprise given his knees and his playing style. But even then NAdal's level, before his injury at least, was very high. I think Federer declined 2 years too early.
It really depends what you call "declined" . Look at their results in 2012 not that far apart, just one more big titles for Djokovic.
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But overall the guys not an elite player. Stop trying to prop up that win.
So what? He was playing like an elite player in that particular tournament and that's all that matters.
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So a match difficulty is judged by how well the player was throughout his career and not how he played in the actual match? GOAT logic
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It really depends what you call "declined" . Look at their results in 2012 not that far apart, just one more big titles for Djokovic.
"declined" means he's physically declined.

anyone who thinks that federer at 31.5 is as physically fast, strong and powerful as 25 yo federer is really blind.
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So what? He was playing like an elite player in that particular tournament and that's all that matters.
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So a match difficulty is judged by how well the player was throughout his career and not how he played in the actual match? GOAT logic
it is kinda frustrating to have discussion using logic with topspinmug.
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The only proper answer imo is it didn't happen in 2007 at all, it started only in 2010. What happened in 2007-2010? The competition improved, and I think Novak, Delpo and Murray constituted a quantum leap in tennis competition. Add Nadal who is a phenom of his own category, and you have your answer, if we are to speak honestly.
his decline started in 2008 , that year was even worst than in 2010 or 2011 , he won the us open but in that year he started to lost with mugs like stepanek on clay , simon or player like roddick or blake....

after 2007 , he started to going down.

topsin talk about bagdathis but djoko was pushed by a semi-retired hewitt and players like haas too , full of injurys and with 34 years old.
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So a match difficulty is judged by how well the player was throughout his career and not how he played in the actual match? GOAT logic
Indeed

Some people seem unable to grasp the fact that a player's level fluctuates through his career - be it because of injuries, lack of dedication to fitness or just general inconsistency. Just because someone like Bagdathis never was a consistent top player doesn't mean he wasn't formidable at his peak. Same for Gonzalez one year later. The faster surfaces at the time allowed for talented attacking shotmakers to get hot and be more than a handful to beat.

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The only proper answer imo is it didn't happen in 2007 at all, it started only in 2010. What happened in 2007-2010? The competition improved, and I think Novak, Delpo and Murray constituted a quantum leap in tennis competition. Add Nadal who is a phenom of his own category, and you have your answer, if we are to speak honestly.
I agree with this. He was slightly worse in those years, but not because of any physical decline, just because such a stratospheric level was impossible to maintain. He still showed glimpses (tournaments) of his best level, just couldn't summon it as consistently. Apart from Nadal who was always his bete noire, only Djokovic and Del Potro beat him at Slams before 2010 and still Federer held a positive Slam H2H against those two in that period - it's not like those two had any edge over Federer at Slams, they simply sneaked a win on the biggest stage, which is hardly shocking considering both are more than good enough to be perceived as threats to beat even a prime Federer if they're playing well and Federer is a bit 'off' on the day.

Those years were basically coming back to Earth for Federer (still the best, but not as incredibly dominant), physical decline hit him in 2010, he started to really struggle to track the shots of the biggest hitters on tour as well as keep in long rallies with the best defenders.
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"declined" means he's physically declined.

anyone who thinks that federer at 31.5 is as physically fast, strong and powerful as 25 yo federer is really blind.
Well I know that. That's why I am asking him who does he define" declined".
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So a match difficulty is judged by how well the player was throughout his career and not how he played in the actual match? GOAT logic
Lol. I guess you didn't hear me the first time.
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