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No. I think Federer's decline is a fact and he's not winning any major in the future. 38 17.35%
I kinda agree... He's in a great moment, but the other 2 guys are too good. No more slams for Feddy 45 20.55%
I totally agree. Fed's still playing great tennis and he'll probably win another major 104 47.49%
Hello. I'm Rod Laver and my records are intact. Suck it losers. 32 14.61%
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Old 10-14-2012, 10:51 AM   #1261
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Default Re: When did Federer lose his prime forehand?

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Nadal can hit both flat and with superspin when at his best. Olderer can hit flat, but his pure topspin FH is significantly weaker, there is a reason why Nadal has the greatest FH down the line and passing shots. The thing that put Olderer's FH above Nadal a few years ago is the pure flat drive, which Nadal somewhat lacked. After 2008, IMO, Nadal's FH has become the greatest shot in this sport.
Why does the guy who has the guy who has the greatest FH DTL hardly ever use it vs. Djokovic, letting him get pinned down by his backhand?
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Old 10-14-2012, 11:13 AM   #1262
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Nadal can hit both flat and with superspin when at his best. Olderer can hit flat, but his pure topspin FH is significantly weaker, there is a reason why Nadal has the greatest FH down the line and passing shots. The thing that put Olderer's FH above Nadal a few years ago is the pure flat drive, which Nadal somewhat lacked. After 2008, IMO, Nadal's FH has become the greatest shot in this sport.
Not sure when you started following tennis, but your comment about forehands down the line is completely incorrect.

When Federer was in his prime, his down the line forehand was arguably his main strength. He would often finish rallies which appeared to be in a neutral position by cracking forehands down the line and following into the net anticipating the retrieved slice. The difference with Nadal being that he doesn't have the ability to hit flat. Federer didn't need (and still doesn't when he's confident) to loop the ball over the high part of the net, he had a knack for precise timing and feel that allowed him to choose the more aggressive option.

Nadal's crosscourt forehand is the far more effective shot simply because he's left handed and can generate so much spin to create angles to open up the court. However, this play can be neutralised by not allowing Nadal time and hitting flat and hard. There's not much you could do about Federer's forehand because he once thrived on pace and if you gave him time, he'd happily put the ball wherever he wanted.
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Old 10-14-2012, 12:52 PM   #1263
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Default Re: The Federer Decline Thread (Is he done)

If any of you is old enough to have done Latin, you're probably familiar with Gibbons "Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire". It took over 1000 pages to achieve it. Seems Fed's decline and fall might take relatively as long
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Default What is wrong with Roger Federer? Sudden drop in form.

He is almost certainty going to lose the No. 1 spot next week. Djokovic and Murray is laughing in his face.

After winning his 17th slam, Roger's hasn't beaten a top 4 player since. He's lost to Murray the last two times in straights and now Murray heads the Head-to-head. How long is it going to be before Murray starts saying he is greater than Federer in interviews?

Why the sudden drop in form. He doesn't look like he can beat either Djokovic or Murray right now and he is defending everything. Basel, Paris, WTF.

Is this end? It reminds me of how after one last run in 2009 it was over for Roddick. He collapsed in the ranking until his retirement this year. The former world No. 1 and slam winner on his last legs. Is Roger going the way of Roddick?
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He is almost certainty going to lose the No. 1 spot next week. Djokovic and Murray is laughing in his face.

After winning his 17th slam, Roger's hasn't beaten a top 4 player since. He's lost to Murray the last two times in straights and now Murray heads the Head-to-head. How long is it going to be before Murray starts saying he is greater than Federer in interviews?

Why the sudden drop in form. He doesn't look like he can beat either Djokovic or Murray right now and he is defending everything. Basel, Paris, WTF.

Is this end? It reminds me of how after one last run in 2009 it was over for Roddick. He collapsed in the ranking until his retirement this year. The former world No. 1 and slam winner on his last legs. Is Roger going the way of Roddick?

Here we go......



Federer beat Djokovic in the Cincinnati final BTW.

I can't believe I actually bothered to respond to this post.
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He is almost certainty going to lose the No. 1 spot next week. Djokovic and Murray is laughing in his face.

After winning his 17th slam, Roger's hasn't beaten a top 4 player since. He's lost to Murray the last two times in straights and now Murray heads the Head-to-head. How long is it going to be before Murray starts saying he is greater than Federer in interviews?

Why the sudden drop in form. He doesn't look like he can beat either Djokovic or Murray right now and he is defending everything. Basel, Paris, WTF.

Is this end? It reminds me of how after one last run in 2009 it was over for Roddick. He collapsed in the ranking until his retirement this year. The former world No. 1 and slam winner on his last legs. Is Roger going the way of Roddick?
Depends on what comes first: Murray completely losing his mental health or Murray winning 17 more Slams.
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Default Re: What is wrong with Roger Federer? Sudden drop in form.

He needs to borrow No2e's magic egg to heal his back. Combination of serve botting his way through tournaments and sexy time with a generously proportioned girl like Mirka take a big tall on his back. Noserer needs to improve his form (serve) fast, I would suggest using his considerable wealth to develop illegal shoes which grant him extra 10cm of height. He can be real Swiss Karlovic
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He is almost certainty going to lose the No. 1 spot next week. Djokovic and Murray is laughing in his face.

After winning his 17th slam, Roger's hasn't beaten a top 4 player since. He's lost to Murray the last two times in straights and now Murray heads the Head-to-head. How long is it going to be before Murray starts saying he is greater than Federer in interviews?

Why the sudden drop in form. He doesn't look like he can beat either Djokovic or Murray right now and he is defending everything. Basel, Paris, WTF.

Is this end? It reminds me of how after one last run in 2009 it was over for Roddick. He collapsed in the ranking until his retirement this year. The former world No. 1 and slam winner on his last legs. Is Roger going the way of Roddick?
Lol. How is Roddick's gut wrenching loss in the Wimby final in any way related to Roger winning a glorious 7th Wimby title? Roger is mentally tired from because of a packed year with the Olympics. If you are a Fedfan I am not impressed.
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They don't call him Olderer for no reason.
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Default Re: What is wrong with Roger Federer? Sudden drop in form.

it was surprising for me he managed to get back to no 1 in the first place.

nowadays hes only going down and i think he's comfortable with that, or at least it is an idea he can live with. what do you expect? he's won everything so far, is getting old and has a family.

give the old man a break
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Roger will probably win Basel and the WTF anyway and shut your mouth once more.
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Roger will probably win Basel and the WTF anyway and shut your mouth once more.
No. He will not win WTF, you can bet your house on it.

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No. He will not win WTF, you can bet your house on it.

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