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No. I think Federer's decline is a fact and he's not winning any major in the future. 38 17.35%
I kinda agree... He's in a great moment, but the other 2 guys are too good. No more slams for Feddy 45 20.55%
I totally agree. Fed's still playing great tennis and he'll probably win another major 104 47.49%
Hello. I'm Rod Laver and my records are intact. Suck it losers. 32 14.61%
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Old 08-16-2012, 10:04 PM   #1111
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True champions can handle both the opponent and weather conditions. Apparently Djokovic isn't one of them. He's the only one among Top 4 who suffered from the heat.
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Old 08-16-2012, 10:06 PM   #1112
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Nadal a no-show except in the slams against Federer. lol

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As expected , u didn't understand what I was saying. In a unilateral battle nadull is greater than fed on Slow courts if they meet . My point is apart from the USO 2010 nadull is pretty irrelevant this time of the year.
The meetings favor nadull predominantly. Nadull had treatment to the knee before MC but he chose to play the clay season. Was successful. He had treatment after Wimby and chose to sit out. Why. Because he isn't that successful at this period of the year for a number of reason.
Even uncle toni said the doctor told nadull to take a rest to regenerate the tendons n ligaments but he still chose to play the entire clay season. In 2009 he missed Wimby. However played the FO. Seems anytime he is destroyed by a flat hitter exposing his weakness he takes a break.
As for RG 08. Fed was declining even before he meet nadull. He had food poisoning any way taken to the hospital never recovered. Lost to his pigeons Roddick , radek Novak at the time.
So he was in a weaken state with no confidence and he tried something different under Jose higueras . It didn't work. Nadull level was high that year his absolute prime that year.
Fed didn't play too much baseline points that match.
Thus leading to that shoreline.
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It's just rather ridiculous to suggest Fed won because of weak field, yada yada yada. He's beaten who's he's had to to win his Grand Slams( and the 2nd and 4th seeds at his last Wimbledon title). He's found a way to keep winning an no current players record is anywhere even close in terms of Grand Slams or total titles. At the end of the day, all that matters is the total record and that he has. Case closed.
He actually beat the no. 1 seed at the last Wimbledon.
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Indeed, but in case of Fed and Nadal, if they play 27 times from now on H2H would be same if not even worse. Clearly Nadal knows how to deal with Federer.
Nadal knows how to deal with Federer on clay, like he does for everyone else.
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Indeed, but in case of Fed and Nadal, if they play 27 times from now on H2H would be same if not even worse. Clearly Nadal knows how to deal with Federer.
Finally some sense from a nole troll. Nadull knows how to deal with fed. Play him on clay and slow high bouncing HC an avoid federer like the plague for the second half of the year the low bouncing faster tour. Especially when not 100%.
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It's nice to say all that but Novak didn't take away number 1 ranking away from Nadal because of winning an ATP 500.

Fed is always exhausted when he loses. If he's so good he wouldn't have needed to play 58 games to win a best of 3 on grass against Del Potro for which grass is his worst surface.
The ranking are based on a 12 month period - not only dependent on a single ATP 500 tourney.

Likewise, if Nole is so good he wouldn't have LOST a best of 3 (in straight sets) on grass to Del Potro for whom grass is his worst surface.

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Old 08-16-2012, 10:31 PM   #1117
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Drop to #4? Someone is butt hurt.
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If everyone rotated answering to his/her posts, I wonder how long Greatness (lol) would continue to troll in here.
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Old 08-17-2012, 12:36 AM   #1119
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Greatness reaching GOAT level of trollness fast. such a prodigy!
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The weak era argument is backed 1000% by stats.
Maybe in a world where 1000% is considered a proper statistical value.

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Old 08-17-2012, 06:01 AM   #1121
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It's nice to say all that but Novak didn't take away number 1 ranking away from Nadal because of winning an ATP 500.
Fed is always exhausted when he loses. If he's so good he wouldn't have needed to play 58 games to win a best of 3 on grass against Del Potro for which grass is his worst surface.


as far as i can remember, fed became #1 again by beating djokovic in the semifinal and winning wimbledon against murray...

and at least fed is good enough to beat del potro on grass...
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A word of advice to those talking badly about other players.

Talking Federer down does not make Djokovic a great player and vice versa.

Some of you people here remind me of religious zealouts who criticize evolution, thinking that that will prove them right.. It doesn't make any sense!

Novak is a great player, Roger is a great player, Rafa is a great player, end of story.
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What many variables? Far more skilled players of today would destroy the weaker field Federer faced. You don't need a million variables to realize that Bagdhatis/Roddick/Gonzalez/etc at their best are nowhere near as good as Novak/Rafa/Murray.
Let's see if we can get your creaking synapses moving with this: the point is not whether Novak/Rafa/Murray are better than Baghdatis/Roddick/Gonzalez. Of course they are. The question is whether they are better than Federer, & to determine that, we have to ask whether Bag/Rod/Gonzo are any worse than the people Novak/Rafa/Murray have beaten in winning slams - i.e., the Soderlings, Berdychs, & Tsongas of this world. It is abundantly obvious that they are not.
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Old 08-17-2012, 11:44 AM   #1124
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Djokovic is not in the same league as nadal and Roger.

Roger and nadal are in the top 10 all time greats. Djokovic is one or two tiers below.

djokovic had a great 2011. Be happy for that because as we've seen so far in 2012 it won't be happening again.
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