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View Poll Results: Do you agree with Pete?

No. I think Federer's decline is a fact and he's not winning any major in the future. 38 17.35%
I kinda agree... He's in a great moment, but the other 2 guys are too good. No more slams for Feddy 45 20.55%
I totally agree. Fed's still playing great tennis and he'll probably win another major 104 47.49%
Hello. I'm Rod Laver and my records are intact. Suck it losers. 32 14.61%
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Old 08-13-2012, 05:24 PM   #811
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Yes nadull is slumping and with this rest will come back stronger next year relative to fed who is on his home stretch at the top.
However nadull success would be limited IMO , from now on
1 because of age.
2 he has more players adept to his game in the current generation.Novak/Murray/Del-po would slowly dominate nadull.
A semi-decent Nadal can give a lot of problems to Federer, if nothing else.

Besides, even if Nadal fails, Djokovic has shown consistency beating Fed at AO and USO, Del Potro beat him at the USO, Murray is a big question mark at this point, but I think he has the game to bring Fed down on all surfaces (including clay)...
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Default Re: The Federer Decline Thread (Federer will drop to number 4 next year)

For some 32 years old guy from weak era would be miracle if he stays in top 4 in this strong era. don't see a point of this discussion
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The guy is over 30 and still number 1. Pure legend. Too bad he is an arrogant twat.
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One of the worst poll options I've ever seen. Why would it mean that just because Fed is declining he wouldn't win another major?

Those who think Federer hasn't declined either didn't follow him at all in 2004-2006, are just trolling or are blinded by hate and tardism. Fed serves better than in his peak, and he arguably handles the high backhand better. Everything else he does worse. When comparing levels of one player it's completely pointless to use 2 sets here, a match there to prove any point.
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yes he is 26 wow he is old
A players Prime is generally from 21-25 years. Of course their are exceptions to the rule.
Nadull is an early bloomer and because of his physical game 26 is getting on the older side. Most players in history that plays nadull style of play would be done and dusted by now. However credit to nadull for still being among the top at 26. However the fact that he hasn't won a title off- clay for 2 years show the trajectory of his career is on the decline.
19-21 won slams only on clay . 1 per year.
21-25 won multiple slams on all surfaces
25 + back to winning predominantly on clay.
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A players Prime is generally from 21-25 years. Of course their are exceptions to the rule.
Nadull is an early bloomer and because of his physical game 26 is getting on the older side. Most players in history that plays nadull style of play would be done and dusted by now. However credit to nadull for still being among the top at 26. However the fact that he hasn't won a title off- clay for 2 years show the trajectory of his career is on the decline.
19-21 won slams only on clay . 1 per year.
21-25 won multiple slams on all surfaces
25 + back to winning predominantly on clay.
you should have learned by now to never count Nadal out.Your wishes are irrelevant.He will play for years to come at a high level
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Default Re: The Federer Decline Thread (Federer will drop to number 4 next year)

Don't know why this thread is still going on. It's obvious to anyone who saw Fed in his prime that he has declined (in particular, his movement - Navratilova once said that it's not that she can't hit the shots anymore, it's that she can't get there fast enough to do so.). Back then, he dominated the tour (sans Nadal) without coaching, scouting, using the drop shot at all and his improved backhand, and he did it comfortably. Having the talent he has and at his physical prime, his confidence was sky-high, and we all know what a great front-runner he is. His opponents were confounded because he could hit every shot and chase down everything. Even Agassi thought there was just nowhere to go vs Fed - either on serve or returning.

To me, it's incredible that he's reached #1 again (after the shanking of the past 2 years). I always thought he'd win a Grand Slam or two more, but never attain #1 or the most weeks at #1 record. As far as I'm concerned, everything now is icing on the cake but then I thought so after he won FO too. No one knows what's going to happen in the future, but as long as he enjoys tennis, he'll keep playing and maybe get lucky. Really no difference between #3 and #4 as far as draw is concerned. And even if he drops further, it just takes luck for a draw to open up. Hard to see why there are still doubters, the man continues to amaze. BTW, Nadal will be back - don't count him out.

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A semi-decent Nadal can give a lot of problems to Federer, if nothing else.

Besides, even if Nadal fails, Djokovic has shown consistency beating Fed at AO and USO, Del Potro beat him at the USO, Murray is a big question mark at this point, but I think he has the game to bring Fed down on all surfaces (including clay)...
A semi decent nadull would give fed problems even be favorite . However this is second part of the year the faster lower bouncing part of the season where fed is 6-1 against nadull and Nadulls lone victory coming in his absolute Prime game wise 2008. In 2010 nadull was lucky.
So nadull hasn't demonstrated ownership of fed in the second part of the year do blanket generalized statements can't be used.
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A semi decent nadull would give fed problems even be favorite . However this is second part of the year the faster lower bouncing part of the season where fed is 6-1 against nadull and Nadulls lone victory coming in his absolute Prime game wise 2008. In 2010 nadull was lucky.
So nadull hasn't demonstrated ownership of fed in the second part of the year do blanket generalized statements can't be used.
I'm talking about next year. So, starting as of AO 2013 etc.

Federer will probably still have pretty good results this autumn.
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you should have learned by now to never count Nadal out.Your wishes are irrelevant.He will play for years to come at a high level
I am not counting nadull out , he could win the USO and I wouldn't be surprise. He could beat fed and I wouldn't be surprised, it might be expected. However this goes for most players in history . Not targeting nadull.
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Sure why not. he can be number 4 as long as he wins slams. Serena is not number 1 but everybody knows she is the best in wta and no one can deny that.
Serena Williams is a deserved 4th best in the WTA, I don't know why anyone would rate her higher. Best on grass, yes, but grass is a short part of the season. Her results in AO and FO makes it very clear that Sharapova and Azarenka are the two best players of 2012 thus far. It is bad enough you bring in the WTA in a Mens Tennis Forum discussion, but if you must then please get your facts straight.
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this thread is almost as bad as the "Berdych will win the Olympics" thread.
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I mean was this a troll thread? The guy went 3, 2, 3, 3 in the previous years and the options are "declining, so will never win a slam", "almost the same, but with stronger opposition will never win a slam" and "the same so will win 1 more major". WTH is that?
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The weather is the only thing that could help him. Though, had Nadal been marching into the final, things would look different. It's not a given that Federer would reach the final then. He surely wouldn't be as motivated as when knowing Murray was waiting there.
And you are not even a Nadaltard, are you? You are starting to sound like one. Federer is favourite against Nadal on grass, his lousy H2H on clay and slow HC doesn't enter into it. Federer knows he is 6-1 against Nadal in the 2nd half of the season, a much better percentage than he has against Murray, so his motivation to reach the final would not be diminished by an iota of a percentage point if Nadal were there instead. You might also remember that Fed and Djoko played in SF #1 and would not at the time know who would reach the final from the other half. You might take it for granted that Nadal would beat Murray, but I can assure you that neither Federer nor Djokovic would make the same assumption.
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I'm talking about next year. So, starting as of AO 2013 etc.

Federer will probably still have pretty good results this autumn.
Fed will not be a factor in the first part of the year from here on out, and just marginal in the second part.
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