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Old 07-24-2009, 11:25 PM   #481
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Frank does well in quarter-finals, no? 5 ATP QF, and only 1 lost (Montreal 2007) if I am not mistaken.
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Old 07-25-2009, 04:30 AM   #482
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Frank starting to play well again heading to Montreal
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Good news! Because Frank's playing on the weekend in Indy, he's earned a special exempt spot in the MD for LA

He'll play Baghdatis, who's playing his first ATP match back since injury, so hopefully he can actually find some consistency and put up another good performance

Should he win that opener, he'd be slated to face - wait for it - Becker, then Tursunov

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Blarghman, he always has huge gaps with no points coming off and never does anything, I wouldnt get my hopes up too much yet if I were you.
I guess I am just an eternal optimist

But you're right, the problem for Frank is building on the good performances he's had. The two or three good runs a year are nice, but he needs more to get anywhere. Like losing early in Wimby and Newport after his good show in Eastbourne.

Plus, I'm a Leafs fan, so getting my hopes dashed is a well-worn sporting experience for me
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Good news! Because Frank's playing on the weekend in Indy, he's earned a special exempt spot in the MD for LA

He'll play Baghdatis, who's playing his first ATP match back since injury, so hopefully he can actually find some consistency and put up another good performance

Should he win that opener, he'd be slated to face - wait for it - Becker, then Tursunov
Great news! Baghdatis actually played in Indy and lost to Odesnik in three sets. It'll be interesting to see how that plays out.

I swear, if Frank draws Tursunov in Montreal I'm going to get a crow bar and pull a Tonya Harding on him.
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Great news! Baghdatis actually played in Indy and lost to Odesnik in three sets. It'll be interesting to see how that plays out.
Right, I forgot about Baghdatis playing this week

In any case, he has no form, so it's certainly winnable
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Have some faith, Frank has had some great success lately and has more confidence than he has ever had. Before he left for Indy he told his dad that he feels on the top of his game. Why say something negative, I don't understand.
I tried the optimism thing in 2007, 2008 and after his last final going into Wimbledon. Sadly, it never really works
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Lost to Querrey today 64 64. Not entirely unexpected that he would lose this one but I'm a bit gutted at how it played out. In the second set Frank broke Sam down 3-5 to get back on serve, only to go down Love-40 and eventually drop serve for the third time in the set to lose it in the next game.

Still, fantastic week. Picks up 90 points and just over $22 000 and got into LA as a special entry. Also has gotten in Washington which is the week after and will be his first 500-level event of the year. Shaping up to be a solid hardcourt season here. Let's hope he can get at least a few more wins in before the Open qualifying.



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Lost to Querrey today 64 64. Not entirely unexpected that he would lose this one but I'm a bit gutted at how it played out. In the second set Frank broke Sam down 3-5 to get back on serve, only to go down Love-40 and eventually drop serve for the third time in the set to lose it in the next game.

Still, fantastic week. Picks up 90 points and just over $22 000 and got into LA as a special entry. Also has gotten in Washington which is the week after and will be his first 500-level event of the year. Shaping up to be a solid hardcourt season here. Let's hope he can get at least a few more wins in before the Open qualifying.
Livescores didn't work for me for some reason, too bad he lost, that second set sounds like a tough one

But as you said, a good week. Hopefully he can beat Baghdatis in LA, seems like it should be an interesting match
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Too bad

PS. He should have played Granby.
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Hi guys,

I have been a big Frank Dancevic fan for the past few years and often read this thread to see what he has been up to.

It seems to me Frank quite obviously lacks consistency, this can be seen by making the final of Eastbourne and then going out in Wimbledon in the first round. The same last year by beating Nalbandian in stright sets then going out to Bobby Reynolds.

I feel Frank tends to play his best tennis against higher rated opponents. For example he has beaten a host of top 50 players such as Roddick, Nalbandian, Kohlschrieber, Tursunov, Verdasco, Del Potro and many others. I just think he really needs to go on a run for a few months where he puts in 120% effort, enters every tournament he can mainly challengers and solidifys his rankings in the top 80 at least. He has a lot of challenger points to defend in the up coming months and if he loses to Marcos in LA and gets a rough draw in the Rogers (likely) then he will find himself once again dropping right down the rankings.

Frank could be a top 50 player under the right guidance and with a bit of luck but I think he has left many people (like myself) thinking what a big talent he could have been.
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Old 07-27-2009, 03:58 PM   #492
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I just think he really needs to go on a run for a few months where he puts in 120% effort, enters every tournament he can mainly challengers and solidifys his rankings in the top 80 at least.
I'm not sure that's a fair criticism. Obviously we don't get to see the Challenger matches and maybe you're right, he only gives a half-hearted effort when he's playing in places like Kentucky or Mexico. But I'm inclined to believe he is always trying his best out there. That he is already putting in 120%. It's awfully easy for us to criticize when he loses matches we think he should have won but I doubt it's from a lack of effort.

Yeah we'd all love him to be a mainstay in the top 50 but if that's not realistic I would rather he had a bunch of first round losses coupled with a handful or finals and semi-finals performances than just have him perpetually getting to the second round every week.

But anyway, you should post here more often. If we get more activity in this thread maybe one day we can convince the MTF Overlords to give Frank his own subform.
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I'm not sure that's a fair criticism. Obviously we don't get to see the Challenger matches and maybe you're right, he only gives a half-hearted effort when he's playing in places like Kentucky or Mexico. But I'm inclined to believe he is always trying his best out there. That he is already putting in 120%. It's awfully easy for us to criticize when he loses matches we think he should have won but I doubt it's from a lack of effort.

Yeah we'd all love him to be a mainstay in the top 50 but if that's not realistic I would rather he had a bunch of first round losses coupled with a handful or finals and semi-finals performances than just have him perpetually getting to the second round every week.

But anyway, you should post here more often. If we get more activity in this thread maybe one day we can convince the MTF Overlords to give Frank his own subform.


Yeah I will do my best, I read the forum a fair bit and have watched Frank at Wimbledon a few years back when he played Koubek. Went and spoke to him after the game was cool.

Im not saying he doesent put the effort in, but for a guy who is clearly very talented I cant understand why he doesent just enter a few more challengers instead of bigger tournaments to just solidify his ranking. Lots of players make it into the top 60s by only really entering challengers, generally clay courters but still. Thats how you start and then are able to establish yourself in tour matches. Many challengers you can win about 90 ranking points which is the same as what Frank got for making the semis this week beating some much tougher players.

Even if he entered something like the Granby challenger thats about 50 points and he would do very well not to win that as its in his own country and is significantly better than virtually all of the players that enter.

Franks problem is looking at his ranking breakdown he has some decent results, Final of Eastbourne, semis in Indy, final of lubock challenger but out of his "best 15" he has at least 3 or 4 results with no points. Even a few 2nd and 3rd rounds in challengers can boost that by around 50 points to get him up into the top 100.

Sure the money isnt good, but your playing for your future. I just dont want to see Frank turn into someone like Kevin Kim who is just a steady player who drifts between the 80-120 mark for years and years, Frank is better than that and I have high hopes for him after watching many of his matches.
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Yeah I will do my best, I read the forum a fair bit and have watched Frank at Wimbledon a few years back when he played Koubek. Went and spoke to him after the game was cool.

Im not saying he doesent put the effort in, but for a guy who is clearly very talented I cant understand why he doesent just enter a few more challengers instead of bigger tournaments to just solidify his ranking. Lots of players make it into the top 60s by only really entering challengers, generally clay courters but still. Thats how you start and then are able to establish yourself in tour matches. Many challengers you can win about 90 ranking points which is the same as what Frank got for making the semis this week beating some much tougher players.

Even if he entered something like the Granby challenger thats about 50 points and he would do very well not to win that as its in his own country and is significantly better than virtually all of the players that enter.

Franks problem is looking at his ranking breakdown he has some decent results, Final of Eastbourne, semis in Indy, final of lubock challenger but out of his "best 15" he has at least 3 or 4 results with no points. Even a few 2nd and 3rd rounds in challengers can boost that by around 50 points to get him up into the top 100.

Sure the money isnt good, but your playing for your future. I just dont want to see Frank turn into someone like Kevin Kim who is just a steady player who drifts between the 80-120 mark for years and years, Frank is better than that and I have high hopes for him after watching many of his matches.
Yeah you make some good points but remember, as you say, he tends to play better against better opponents. After the Open last year he played something like 8 Challengers. He got to a couple semis and one final. It did essentially nothing for his ranking. Just because they're Challengers doesn't mean he's guaranteed wins. Even if he does lose to Baggy I still think going to LA was the right call.

And I have to take issue with the idea that somehow, if players like Dancevic or Kim don't step it up their talent has been wasted. Frank has been as high as 65 in the world. I don't know about you but I have never been the 65th best in the world at anything, let alone something as competitive as a pro sport. At age 24 he is about to eclipse 1 million dollars in prize money earned. I'm two years older than him and I certainly don't have a million dollars. Even if he failed to ever win another match, he's had an exceptional career that the vast majority of people who try to do what he's done will never come close to achieving.

Plus, not all athletes have a Federer or Sampras-like devotion to their sport. I think as sports fans we tend to lose perspective and can forget that tennis is a job for these guys. They have girlfriends and families and hobbies and lives outside of tennis and it's not really fair or realistic to expect them to devote every waking moment to training and practicing (I'm speaking generally here, I have no idea how hard Frank does or does not work off the court). These athletes are people, not robots. Guys like Dancevic and Kim and others who are around 100-200 may not be household names but they still have a pretty sweet life, getting paid plenty of money to travel around the world and play tennis while suckers like me are stuck behind a desk for 60 hours a week.

Haha okay, so I got a little bit off track there. Sorry for the rant.
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I really dont understand that rant to be honest with you. If we looked at everyones career and just said they were amazing to be where they were tennis would be an incredibly boring sport. Frank is able to earn that sort of money because of the fans, and the fans only. In a normal job you try your hardest to earn a promotion or earn more money by doing your job well. Frank is no different.

Normal people work 40 hours a week full time, you would expect a full time tennis star with so much money and privaledges to do exactly the same.

Kevin Kim is a typical 80-120 and will never be anything more. Thats a credit to him and im not taking anything away from him, hes a good player I have watched him live and i respect that. However there is a vast difference between himself and someone like Frank.

Many players have real raw talent that if it was put together correctly could make them a top ten player, and this is what they all strive for. Someone like Blake springs to mind.

Frank has a great serve, one of the best. Has a great volley and is very mobile around the court. His ground strokes are also fairly tidy, he tends to be very agressive on his opponents serve and that accounts for many of his unforced errors. Look at Ivo Karlovic, he serves all these aces and has nothing else apart from decent volleys. Frank isnt as good as serving as someone like Ivo but he has a far better ground game and movement, the difference in talent is hardly anything but ranking wise its about 70-80.

To summarise, Frank can be a top 50 player im not taking any credit away from him but he needs to be able to take that next step and im sure many Frank fans are frustrated and willing him on to bigger and greater things. Me included.
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