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Old 11-27-2007, 05:47 PM   #16
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I'm a pollo-pescetarian - lovely Kitty de Sade told me about this specific terminology

Same here.

A small typo: It's "pescaterian".
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Old 11-27-2007, 06:13 PM   #17
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People who eat animals because society doesn't condemn it as wrong are stranger than vegans.

If you hadn't worked it out, i'm just a vegitarian but over the last few years have become a lot more interested in animal rights generally
Homo sapiens is naturally an omnivore. That is how he evolved.

And animals don't have rights. When a law is passed forbidding cruelty to animals, that is a decision of homo sapiens. If animals had rights they would claim the right to eat us all up.
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Old 11-27-2007, 06:27 PM   #18
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Every body is unique.You just have to know what works for you best.There are a lot of books about vegetarian and vegan.Maybe you can check them out.
That seems condradictory to me. First you tell me that I should go with what I think is best for me. Then you tell me to read what others think may be best for me.

When I was in Madrid recently there was a bunch of people picketing outside a McDonalds with big fotos of dead animals. When I asked them if they were against eating meat or maybe just against McDonalds because it is American, they said they were against killing animals for food by anybody. I pointed out that in central Madrid there is a famous chain of shops (El Museo de Jamon) that sells only expensive hams and there is one on just about every block. I asked how many times they have picketed this beloved all-Spanish food chain that slaughters pigs by the millions - and they had no answer. Hypocrites. I think they picket McDonalds because they feel morally superior to the low income people that eat there. They know that if they picketed El Museo de Jamon, normal Madrilenos would laugh at and then ignore them.
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Old 11-27-2007, 07:39 PM   #19
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I am almost a vegan - I have milk but don't use other animal products.


Vegans and vegetarians are awesome. Great thread.
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Old 11-27-2007, 08:37 PM   #20
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Vegan food makes you feel great.

Of course, I've never eaten it exclusively for more than a day or two at a time.
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Old 11-27-2007, 09:41 PM   #21
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I'm now in a period when I don't eat any animal stuff..and no...I'm not becoming a vegan...is for religious reasons....before the Christmas....anyway....I won't discuss the reasons but the effect. I'm not feeling anything really... and it's almost too easy if I could say so....And I don't feel special in any way....people choose what they want....the problem is that is made such a fuss about it...And yes I know this thread was made just to gather people who share the same lifestyle...but still....is not a reason to hi5 someone cause he's a vegan....he's a person who chose not to eat animal products. So in conclusion I've been both ways.....and I think this is a personal thing and hi5 don't need to be included as it is a real acomplishment not to eat different stuff...
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With the grain it takes to feed a cow for its lifetime you could feed a family for many years Seems simple enough to me. I would prefer that grain to go to a hungry family rather than a cow who is simply being raised to be slaughtered.

Raising livestock en mass is also very harmful to the environment. The American government has said as much. Check this out: http://www.epa.gov/waterscience/guid...s/envimpct.pdf Ever wonder how much cow shit makes it into the ground, and seeps into our drinking water? Dairy cows shit too.
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Old 11-27-2007, 11:25 PM   #23
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As far as chickens are concerned, my stepdad lives in a little backwoods town near Mt. Rainier in Washington state. He has a chicken coop with 3 chickens and a hen. They are really cool little animals. When I go to visit him, I like to go into the chicken coop and play with them. They seem to enjoy the attention. They also like to chase his dogs around. It's pretty damn cute.

And then a few miles down the road there is one of those egg factory things. I assume there are thousands of chickens and hens in there. When you drive by, you can smell it from almost a mile away. It's a fowl, horrible odor. And the conditions there are perfectly hospitable to disease. And those diseased eggs make it to our dinner tables.

So of course, someone is going to ask, do I eat the eggs that my dad's chickens lay? Nope. And that's because since I've gone vegan my skin has taken on a rather nice healthy look. Dig deep enough and you can always find a superficial answer for everything.
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Old 11-27-2007, 11:33 PM   #24
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Oh and there is that whole karma thing. If I come back as a cow, I'd really like it if I wasn't raised to be kept perpetually pregnant, having my udders perpetually pumped, and then killed with a cattle prod to be eaten by some fat ass who had steak last night and the night before.

I used to be that fat ass. I stopped eating meat and magically I stopped being a fat ass. One of those EUREKA! things.
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With the grain it takes to feed a cow for its lifetime you could feed a family for many years Seems simple enough to me. I would prefer that grain to go to a hungry family rather than a cow who is simply being raised to be slaughtered.

Raising livestock en mass is also very harmful to the environment. The American government has said as much. Check this out: http://www.epa.gov/waterscience/guid...s/envimpct.pdf Ever wonder how much cow shit makes it into the ground, and seeps into our drinking water? Dairy cows shit too.
Humans could barely eat much of the grain currently used for cattle. But your basic point is sound -- in nations with limited agricultural resources, cattle production is a very wasteful method of creating food.

Cows haven't even evolved to eat corn. It does terrible things to their health (which is one reason they must so often be pumped full of antibiotics).

In our current system in the U.S., large monocultural farms produce only one thing: cheap corn for cattle. This supply of cheap corn is encouraged by governmental policies and subsidies which ultimately compel farmers to keep producing more and more surplus -- it's a losing battle for them. Industrial agribusiness, and by turns our economy as a whole, relies on this cheap corn supply. The corn that doesn't make it to cattle is used in all those corn byproducts that make up our processed food (including the super sweet and super cheap high fructose corn syrup that is contributing to our current obesity epidemic).

When crops are rotated the "old-fashioned" way, the energy from the sun is used by plants such as legumes to fix nitrogen, which fertlizes the ground. But large-scale monoculture relies on artificial fertilzer -- crops are not rotated, and the same land is used for the same purposes year after year. It takes a great deal of energy to fix the nitrogen in fertilizer. Where does this energy come from? That's right, fossil fuels. Fossil fuels are also used to transport products to grocery stores, so that we think nothing of eating food grown 2000 miles away. Our agricultural system is to an alarming extent built on oil.

Buying locally may be the only way to truly combat this system. I have tried to do this more often lately --- but it's not easy to stick to that mantra.
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Old 11-28-2007, 12:11 AM   #26
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I should have included corn with the grain statement, but you said it much more eloquently than I ever could.
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I know a lot of vegans who like to walk around and preach and are pretty aggressive about it. I think they are a little annoying. Just as annoying as anyone who chastises me for my lack of organized religion (accept Jesus or burn!) If asked, I will give my reasons, and I will try and do it in a non aggressive, calm, logical manner. If a point I make is taken up for debate, I will do my best to debate it without preaching. I am not much into making converts. I made the decision almost naturally. First by giving up meat, and then cheese, and then all dairy and eggs. It was a smooth transition, and eventually it seemed to make sense. As my spiritual connection with the earth has expanded, so has my awareness of my place in the world. I strive not to be harmful during my time here. This includes not harming Q, or anyone else in this thread, or their pets, or my pets, or any other animal on this planet. If faced with it, I couldn't do what is required in order to obtain the products an animal's body has to offer. I couldn't slaughter it. Boil it down to make gelatin. Stick it in horrific conditions while it lays eggs. Squeeze it while silk comes out. So ethically, why should I leave the dirty work to someone else?
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I'm not a vegan, but I try to make at least 80% of my diet whole grains and fruits and vegetables. I mostly eat fish for protein (sometimes chicken).

I concur - it DOES make you feel better. The growth hormones and anti-biotics that cattle are given are TERRIBLE for humans. I like the taste of red meat, but it isn't worth it for me.
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I am not, but we are trying to keep my son's diet as meat-free as possible. It is difficult for him to give up cow's milk though. It is frightening to think of the number of hormones in our food. Our bodies are already done for, but we thought we'd do our best in keeping him off that stuff as long as we can.
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I assume there are thousands of chickens and hens in there. When you drive by, you can smell it from almost a mile away. It's a fowl, horrible odor. And the conditions there are perfectly hospitable to disease. And those diseased eggs make it to our dinner tables.
Great pun! Oh wait, they only count when you know you did it.

I have actually never come across a diseased egg. Lucky me!
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