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View Poll Results: Do You Believe In A "God"?

Yes, I'm a Theist (Believe in holy revelation via a "Holy Book") 57 19.52%
Yes, I'm a Deist (Believe in God based upon the existence of the Universe and evolved life) 40 13.70%
Perhaps, I'm Agnostic (As there is conflicting, or a lack of, evidence you just don't know) 73 25.00%
No, I'm an Atheist (science will eventually understand the origins of the Big Bang/Universe) 122 41.78%
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Old 10-17-2009, 12:42 PM   #361
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I see what you're getting at. I agree with you to an extent. We do have certain limitations. For example, we are pattern seekers. That is why the concept of infinity is so troubling for us. However, that doesn't mean that there is a viable alternative, nor does it mean that we won't break through those boundaries at some point. And if there is an alternative, it sure as hell isn't religion.
Not religion, although it's still useful for many. But the idea of some kind of creator looks plausible to me.
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Not religion, although it's still useful for many. But the idea of some kind of creator, does seem plausible to me.
It doesn't seem plausible to me. Who created the creator? Who created the creator of the creator? The Universe always having existed is more plausible, in my opinion.
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It doesn't seem plausible to me. Who created the creator? Who created the creator of the creator? The Universe always having existed is more plausible, in my opinion.
Stop sinning and just admit I'm right. You'll feel better about yourself.
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Stop sinning and just admit I'm right. You'll feel better about yourself.
You're always right.
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You're always right.


I'll forget you ever disagreed with me.
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Old 10-17-2009, 01:30 PM   #366
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Not really.
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Not really.
But you're a practising Catholic.
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But you're a practising Catholic.
And what?
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For the devout religious people in here: what do you believe the consequences are for not following the religion that you do?

I know tons of religions where if you aren't following that, you go to hell. Irrespective of your work, your life or anything. Even if your life was within the bounds of the religion but they did not specifically follow it.

Personally, I'm somewhere between agnostic and atheist. That being said I never question someones faith or intrude. What does piss me off is when zealots try to indoctrinate or constantly harp where I will be in the afterlife.
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Fair enough, you have an opinion, but can you at least try to be respectful of others?
What's the problem with what he said?

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Who did I disrespect? It is a book of fairytales. If someone quotes a passage from Little Red Riding Hood in order to make a point, I'm going to call them on it. I'm not going to sit here and sugarcoat what I say just because questioning religion is taboo. I respect logic and reason. I do not respect the belief that there is an all-powerful sugardaddy in the sky.

And do you really want to talk about disrespect? What you said about science is perhaps the most offensive, vacuous statement in the entire thread.
I'm gonna check on what he said now.

I agree wholeheartedly with you, mate.

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Then you believe that human rationality is the only means to understand? Reason gives us the ability to understand, but it also forms the boundaries of human thought.
Yeah, it is.

Cogito, ergo sum.

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We only evolved with the purpose of keeping our kind going. It's rather medieval of you, almost Biblical, to make humans the reference point to understand the universe.
No, it's not. Until there's proof of something more intelligent than us in the universe, we have the right to think of ourselves and the reference point.

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It's annoying to discuss in this language for me.

If reason are the boundaries of human cognition, then I think there has to be "knowledge" outside our reason too, but were not evolved to grasp outside our senses.
That's bullshit. And you know it.

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And what?
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I believe.

But admittedly I'm a bad Christian. Today is Sunday and I'm not going to Church.
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Yeah, it is.

Cogito, ergo sum.
No, it's not. And there's evidence of it.
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And what?
Oh nothing. Only that it's completely nonsensical.
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Then you believe that human rationality is the only means to understand? Reason gives us the ability to understand, but it also forms the boundaries of human thought.
This.

Also, far too many people confuse the notions of "God", "religion" and "church".
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