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Old 10-31-2007, 03:36 PM   #106
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IMHO if there was no disrespect, which I mean being discriminative in any way people can be, and there were no controversial issues brought to discussion...no ban is necessary.
Of course we all would love to ban those posters that merely think different than we do...but that's not correct... and that's not how this should work...

I say let GM post in GM (in case he wasn't really acting as a dork)

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Old 10-31-2007, 03:55 PM   #107
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You're stating these like they are facts, they aren't. These are merely your opinions. Many posters find GM to be creative.
Nope.

I'm stating it as my opinion. I have found Glenn to be totally and utterly repetitive in GM. You don't expect me to add "in my opinion" every time I write something, do you? I thought that this is rather obvious on a message board.

If others disagree with my opinion, fine.

By the way, do you think that he's creative in GM and if so, why? What's creative about his posts?

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This is true about ignore functions for anyone, so this is irrelevant to GM's suspension.
This was a reply to those who say that Glenn posting in GM should not be a problem. If he annoys you, put him on your ignore list so you don't have to read his "creative" posts.
So, you are replying to the wrong person about that ignore function since I did not bring it up in the first place.

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Old 10-31-2007, 04:12 PM   #108
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Nope.

I'm stating it as my opinion. I have found Glenn to be totally and utterly repetitive in GM. You don't expect me to add "in my opinion" every time I write something, do you? I thought that this is rather obvious on a message board.
Nope. There are obvious ways of stating things that are clearly your opinions, which you yourself do by the way, and ways of stating things as premises, such as "Why does GM need a non creative repetitive poster ..." which is not stating anything about your opinion, and I think you know that. Opinions are obvious, such as (from your post):

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I find Glenn easy to ignore due to his repetitive nature.

I think that he's quite harmless most of the time but to say "we need him there"?

The only explanation I can come up with is that some people in here love to see other posters trying to have a conversation with him (which is pointless in GM)
You didnt say IMO in any of these and it is pretty obvious to any reader of ordinary reading skills that those are IYO. Are you saying you do not understand the difference between statements like that and a statement like this:

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A forum needs a wide variety of posters and a nice % of "characters" but why exactly does GM need a repetitive, non-creative poster?
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By the way, do you think that he's creative in GM and if so, why? What's creative about his posts?
His posts are creative because I find them unique, cut to the point and humorous. There is sarcasm and there is wit. Beyond that, it is like asking you to define what is a great post. Can you define it? I think not. I am also sure that what you define as a great post will not be everyone else's definition of a great one. It is sort of like porn v/s almost-porn: you just know it when you see it.

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So, you are replying to the wrong person about that ignore function since I did not bring it up in the first place.
Regardless of the origin of the ignore function in this thread, you made a point about the ignore function and I am responding ONLY to YOUR point. Thus I am not responding to the wrong person. Your point was that it is insufficient to put him on ignore, and my point is that then the ignore function is useless altogether for everyone here on MTF.
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Old 10-31-2007, 04:16 PM   #109
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You're arguing with me for the sake of arguing without making sense for the most part of what you have written there, R. Federer.

I've said what I have to say about Glenn and I don't need to say anything more about it.
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Old 10-31-2007, 04:25 PM   #110
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You're arguing with me for the sake of arguing without making sense for the most part of what you have written there, R. Federer.
It seems you did not have a response to what I said so this is about the best way to end it. Fine with me.

Regardless you are in the wrong thread. You might have missed the title. It is a petition SUPPORTING GlennMirnyi There is a thread started by Jogy for nonsupport. You'll find all of your comments with and without IMO better received there!
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I suspect that this is what's truly got Gu's goat, the fact that the Ducktards are one of the few fanbases who haven't taken any notice of him no matter how hard he tries to bait and troll.
Gu loves Andy .... and most Ducktards as well ... I think!

But I think there is a Duckatard here and a Duckatard there that he might love a little less....
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Old 10-31-2007, 04:28 PM   #112
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It seems you did not have a response to what I said so this is about the best way to end it. Fine with me.
It's not a matter of not having a response, it's a matter of not wanting to talk to you since I find you impossible to talk to because you have the tendency to talk in circles in order to stick with your opinion no matter what and I think that you're trying to bait me a bit.

I'll go look for Jogy's thread.
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I'm sure he will survive the next 6 months, no need for petitions.
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Old 10-31-2007, 04:46 PM   #114
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It's not a matter of not having a response, it's a matter of not wanting to talk to you since I find you impossible to talk to because you have the tendency to talk in circles in order to stick with your opinion no matter what and I think that you're trying to bait me a bit.

I'll go look for Jogy's thread.
Yes, and the way to go when you don't want to talk is to respond to my post. Sounds about right.

You can use that partly useless ignore function!
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I'm sure he will survive the next 6 months, no need for petitions.
Nolop, the question is, will We Survive the next 6 months... ?
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This ban is absurd. I support Gustavo, despite the fact I disagree with 99% og his posts.
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MTF sucks these days. Im out of here
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I can't even begin to fathom what rules are being enforced and which aren't. It seems that the mods never apply the rules consistently. In the Hewitt forum, there's this huge chat thread about women's tennis, but posts about women's tennis in other forums routinely get removed. That's just one example, there are loads of others demonstrating inconsistent rules enforcement.

I don't pay for my membership, so maybe I shouldn't care, but the mods need to be more professional in their administration of the rules and especially in banning people.

Let me add that I think some of the mods are trying very hard, and I don't think that they get compensated in any way, but a for-profit site like this should hire professional admins to do the heavy lifting on rules enforcement, rather than leaving it to volunteer mods.

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In the Dubai thread, ezekiel made comments (I made a pdf of some of them because it was so bad , so don't worry if he has now gone and deleted, I'll post them). These include comments about why the Arabs deserved what they were getting and incendiary and hateful posts about Muslims in general.

And this poster was allowed to stay.

There were mods on that thread, and they deleted some of the posts. But how come he was not banned? Now there isn't really an excuse of saying "Mods cannot be everywhere" which is true, but when they are present the rules really ought to be applied equally. Because if one person sees that others can write hateful things about people, groups, countries, etc., it is not clear why another poster would not think it is fair game to do so.
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Old 10-31-2007, 07:06 PM   #120
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J'Torian, if there are some rules about behavior, everyone should follow them.

The difficulty is when different standards are applied to different posters. There is no need for the moderators of the forums to be more explicit than Shotgun's posted rules of behavior. But when you see comments from one poster leading to bans and the similar style of comments from another poster leading to nothing, then it is a pity.

That is the actual underlying theme of this thread. It is not just the naive "We miss Gu" and " We need Gu" that all of us have had some fun with.
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