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Old 10-13-2007, 02:16 AM   #31
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Some of the assertions in Al Gore's Oscar-winning environmental documentary are not supported by scientific evidence, a British judge said in ruling on a challenge from a school official who did not want the film shown to students.
Um...right...Let's see...the opinion of the VAST MAJORITY of specialists in the field vs. the opinion of one judge with no scientific background (and probably the owner of an SUV)...

"The judge MUST be correct", spoketh Mr. Limbaugh.
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The ruling by the British judge harldy discredits what is said in the film rather he dislikes the way it is presented. No big deal I would say. He is trying to get an important message across when few seemed to be listening. I expect they mention the most dramatic possibilites to get people's attention. And it seemed to work.
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Old 10-13-2007, 04:51 AM   #33
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Um...right...Let's see...the opinion of the VAST MAJORITY of specialists in the field vs. the opinion of one judge with no scientific background (and probably the owner of an SUV)...

"The judge MUST be correct", spoketh Mr. Limbaugh
Um... right....Let's see... in the movie Big Al said some South Pacific islanders had already abandoned their islands due to rising sea water
in the movie Big Al said polar bears were drowning because of melting ice sheets
in the movie Big Al said that sea levels were going to rise 20 feet, when the actual scientific estimates are 7-23 INCHES

The makers of the movie now admit that these statements were lies. You don't need a scientific background to recognise lies. No doubt most of the Gore worshippers will point out that a few cases of cooking the books does not invalidate the entire report. But do you know what? Where good science is involved - it does.

And yes the judge may well own a SUV. I doubt he can afford to take private jets.
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He also cited claims that Hurricane Katrina.......... caused by global warming. Burton said there was insufficient evidence to back those claims.
Yes, Gore unashamedly used Hurricane Katrina to play on people's fears. If he had been honest he would have said, ''The damage caused by Hurricane Katrina was man-made. The failure of the levees was a totally man made disaster. Hurricane Katrina was a very normal category 3 hurricane, something that happens numerous times every year. The fact that it happened to hit a major city that is built below sea level is what made the damage so great. Yes folks, I want to tell you that Hurricane Katrina had absolutely nothing to do with global warming.
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Hurricanes ahve been going on forever, to say that global warming caused Katrina is saying global warming has been going on since hurricanes ahve been going on which we alllll know isnt true. Unfortuanely Ive never had the joy of watch his convieniant lie so I didnt know he said that til now.
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Um... right....Let's see... in the movie Big Al said some South Pacific islanders had already abandoned their islands due to rising sea water
in the movie Big Al said polar bears were drowning because of melting ice sheets
in the movie Big Al said that sea levels were going to rise 20 feet, when the actual scientific estimates are 7-23 INCHES

The makers of the movie now admit that these statements were lies.
Sorry, but if you are going to make such assertions, please provide actual REFERENCES where the filmmakers have admitted to "lies" or "cooking of the facts". Where is the proof that what was presented IS indeed false. I'm sure the Nobel prize committee is more aware (and CERTAINLY more qualified) to determine the merits of Mr. Gore's efforts.

Private jets are, at times, NOT luxuries. So, don't belittle the man's efforts or principles with respect to this matter.

And, please, exit from whence you came: stage RIGHT.
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So he presented his message in a way that raised alarm and got attention. I'd say his goal of raising awareness was achieved. I could nitpick all the details here being debated but it's funny that people can't see the forest for the trees. Minor inaccuracies or debatable scientific points in the film are inconsequential compared to what the film did for public consciousness. Fact is, there are a lot more people discussing global warming now than there were 10 years ago and his efforts have a lot to do with that. Worthy of a Nobel Peace Prize? Perhaps. I can't say I wasn't surprised when I found out he won.
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typical bush hasn't congratulate gore. he's definately jelous as he knows he has a horrible record as a president.
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For those who don't know what the panel is about:

http://www.democracynow.org/article..../10/12/1454228

"George Monbiot is a columnist for the Guardian of London. His latest book is called Heat: How to Stop the Planet from Burning.

The UN’s climate panel groups 2,500 researchers from more than 130 nations and issued reports this year blaming human activities for climate changes ranging from more heat waves to floods.

George Monbiot, your response to the Nobel Peace Prize winners this year today?

GEORGE MONBIOT: Well, I am delighted, particularly for the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change. This must be the most maligned institution on earth, in that it’s a very conservative scientific panel which chooses only the science which is rock-solid, and yet it’s often portrayed as an insane radical organization trying to overthrow civilization as we know it. And it’s fought a long, hard battle for the science to be heard, and that battle is now being rewarded.

JUAN GONZALEZ: And, George Monbiot, in announcing the award, the Nobel Prize committee indicated that it was seeking to actively make clear the importance and the dangers of continued global warming. Your response to their message?

GEORGE MONBIOT: Well, they have done so, but they have done so by drawing only on the science which can be absolutely trusted. In other words,the science which ends up in their reports is the science of consensus, and they exclude things even which have a very widespread scientific backing; but where there’s some legitimate dispute, they will exclude that from their reports. So this is an organization which has been as rigorous as you possibly can be in documenting what is happening to the world's climate. And yet they are constantly pilloried and attacked by rightwing climate change deniers as if they're doing the opposite. And I am very, very glad that they have been recognized in this way."
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So he presented his message in a way that raised alarm and got attention. I'd say his goal of raising awareness was achieved. I could nitpick all the details here being debated but it's funny that people can't see the forest for the trees. Minor inaccuracies or debatable scientific points in the film are inconsequential compared to what the film did for public consciousness. Fact is, there are a lot more people discussing global warming now than there were 10 years ago and his efforts have a lot to do with that. Worthy of a Nobel Peace Prize? Perhaps. I can't say I wasn't surprised when I found out he won.

Using lies to rasie the awareness will actually do more damage than good in the long run. It will end up sending mixed signals to people who will tune everything off at the end.
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typical bush hasn't congratulate gore. he's definately jelous as he knows he has a horrible record as a president.
As usual, wrong again!
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Sorry, but if you are going to make such assertions, please provide actual REFERENCES where the filmmakers have admitted to "lies" or "cooking of the facts". Where is the proof that what was presented IS indeed false.
Why should I provide actual REFERENCES? Big Al didn't, and just like him I don't care about the truth of what I say as long as it gets my very important message across.
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typical bush hasn't congratulate gore. he's definately jelous as he knows he has a horrible record as a president.
Actually Bush DID congratulate Gore who had congratulated Bush when he conceded defeat in the U.S. Presidential elections.
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What a joke Al Gore gets a Nobel Peace prize for alarmist piece of propaganda

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5g...rdgOgD8S7DI5O0

U.K. Judge Finds Problems in Gore Film
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LONDON (AP) — Some of the assertions in Al Gore's Oscar-winning environmental documentary are not supported by scientific evidence, a British judge said in ruling on a challenge from a school official who did not want the film shown to students.

The ruling was published Wednesday and it detailed High Court Judge Michael Burton's decision this month to allow film showings to go ahead in English secondary schools. But the judge said that written guidance to teachers designed to ensure Gore's views are not presented uncritically must accompany the showings.

Burton said he had no doubt the points raised in "An Inconvenient Truth" about the causes and likely effects of climate change are broadly accurate, but he found they were made in "the context of alarmism and exaggeration."

Gore's film "is substantially founded upon scientific research and fact," Burton said. "Albeit that the science is used, in the hands of a talented politician and communicator, to make a political statement and to support a political program."

He said the government's plan to show the film violated laws banning the promotion of partisan political views in the classroom, but could proceed if teachers ensure that Gore's political views are not seen as being endorsed by schools.

Kalee Kreider, a spokeswoman for the former vice president, said the judge's decision backed key elements of the documentary.

"The ruling upheld fundamental pieces of the film and the scientific consensus that global warming is real and caused by human activities," she told The Associated Press. "Of the thousands of facts in the film, the judge only took issue with just a handful. And of that handful, we have the studies to back those pieces up."

Burton outlined nine problems — including Gore's claim that sea level rises of 23 feet might occur in the immediate future — something the judge characterized as "distinctly alarmist."

He also cited claims that Hurricane Katrina, the evaporation of most of Lake Chad and the melting of the snow on Mount Kilimanjaro were all caused by global warming. Burton said there was insufficient evidence to back those claims.

Burton's ruling follows a challenge from a part-time school official who complained that Gore's film was inaccurate and biased and should not be shown to pupils.

Stewart Dimmock, who works part-time on a school governing board, said he was fighting to have his children educated in an environment "free from bias and political spin."

But I guess the fact that this smear campaign was funded by the energy and mining interests means nothing? Because, you know, they wouldn;t have any hidden agenda to undermine environmental concerns, would they?

Revealed: the man behind court attack on Gore film
Fuel and mining magnate backed UK challenge to An Inconvenient Truth

The Observer has established that Dimmock's case was supported by a powerful network of business interests with close links to the fuel and mining lobbies. He was also supported by a Conservative councillor in Hampshire, Derek Tipp.

Dimmock credited the little-known New Party with supporting him in the test case but did not elaborate on its involvement. The obscure Scotland-based party calls itself 'centre right' and campaigns for lower taxes and expanding nuclear power.

Records filed at the Electoral Commission show the New Party has received nearly all of its money - almost Ł1m between 2004 and 2006 - from Cloburn Quarry Limited, based in Lanarkshire.

The company's owner and chairman of the New Party, Robert Durward, is a long-time critic of environmentalists. With Mark Adams, a former private secretary to Tony Blair, he set up the Scientific Alliance, a not-for-profit body comprising scientists and non-scientists, which aims to challenge many of the claims about global warming.

The alliance issued a press release welcoming last week's court ruling and helped publicise Dimmock's case on its website. It also advised Channel 4 on the Great Global Warming Swindle, a controversial documentary screened earlier this year that attempted to challenge claims made about climate change.

http://observer.guardian.co.uk/uk_ne...190770,00.html
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