2009-the possible beginning of the end of men's tennis? - MensTennisForums.com

MensTennisForums.com

MenstennisForums.com is the premier Men's Tennis forum on the internet. Registered Users do not see the above ads.Please Register - It's Free!

Reply

Old 10-06-2007, 07:39 PM   #1
country flag sawan66278
Registered User
 
sawan66278's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Age: 43
Posts: 2,847
sawan66278 has a reputation beyond reputesawan66278 has a reputation beyond reputesawan66278 has a reputation beyond reputesawan66278 has a reputation beyond reputesawan66278 has a reputation beyond reputesawan66278 has a reputation beyond reputesawan66278 has a reputation beyond reputesawan66278 has a reputation beyond reputesawan66278 has a reputation beyond reputesawan66278 has a reputation beyond reputesawan66278 has a reputation beyond repute
Default 2009-the possible beginning of the end of men's tennis?

After reading this article about the changes in the men's game in 2009, am I the only one who feels this: confusion will reign supreme...leading to lack of interest...leading to ambivalence. Read...and ponder: a tour structure that makes the film Syriana look like The Cat in the Hat:

Quote:
ATP Announces 500 Series Tournaments

By Richard Pagliaro
10/05/2007

Tennis is a numbers game and the ATP is aiming to elevate its numbers with declarative digits. The ATP is assigning numerical names to its tournaments and believes the new classification will create both a streamlined schedule and an enhanced bottom line starting in 2009.

The ATP announced today 10 cities that have been awarded "500" status for the new-look 2009 ATP Tour. The 10 are Rotterdam, Dubai, Acapulco, Memphis, Barcelona, Washington DC, Beijing, Tokyo, Basel and Valencia.

Offering 500 points for each champion, the "500" tournaments will create "a global standard tier of premium tournaments and ensure a stronger broadcast and sponsor proposition from 2009," the ATP said in a statement. The 10 cities announced today are set to make a financial commitment to the Tour of $20.7 million from 2009, an increase in prize money of 118 percent over 2008 for these events, according to the ATP.

Designed to complement the nine "1000" events, which are now known as the Masters Series, and ATP World Tour Finals in London (which is currently called the Tennis Masters Cup and is presently contested in Shanghai), the "500s" will be backed by a top player commitment to play four a year, including one "500" event each season after the U.S. Open.

Asked how the ATP plans to enforce that player commitment, an ATP spokesman told Tennis Week today: "The players will need to play four of the 500 events for ranking purposes. Not doing so will result in zero pointers for each one missed."

Starting in 2009, the ATP will no longer use the term "Masters Series" to characterize its top tier events. Instead, those nine tournaments will be labeled "1000" events, signifying the points earned by tournament winners. The nine "1000" events that will replace the Masters Series will be: Indian Wells; Miami; Rome; Madrid; Toronto/ Montreal; Cincinnati; Shanghai and Paris. Monte Carlo will also have 1000 status but will not have the same mandatory player commitment as the other nine.

The rebranding effort marks the latest marketing change for the collection of tournaments once known as "The Super Nine" before they were renamed "Masters Series." The Masters Series was created when the ATP signed a 10-year, $1.2 billion deal in 1998-99 with the Swiss sports company ISL (International Sports & Leisure) for exclusive marketing rights of that Series, but that deal proved to be disastrous as ISL was unable to meet its anticipated sponsorship sales and ultimately filed for bankruptcy in 2001 leaving many Masters Series events scrambling to procure individual sponsorship deals and the Tour searching for the most effective way to package, promote and sell its most prestigious tournaments.

This latest renaming is the Tour's effort to redefine itself. One crucial element in that aim is broadcast accessibility of its tournaments for fans. To that end, an ATP spokesman told Tennis Week today that starting in 2009 the 10 "500" tournaments will be available on ATP.TV, which currently streams Masters Series events over the Internet.

The 2009 ATP Tour will feature an Asian swing of three weeks starting after the completion of the U.S. Open in September that will showcase top players at new tournaments — "Shanghai 1000", and the Tokyo and Beijing "500’s". This will be followed by an enhanced European indoor swing comprising of two new "500" events in Valencia and Basel as well as the Paris "1000", which is currently the BNP Paribas Masters (Paris Indoors). The swing, and season, will conclude at the 2009 season-ending ATP World Tour Finals in London’s O2 Arena.

Hamburg, which filed anti-trust lawsuit against the ATP in a U.S. Federal District Court in April in an effort to preserve its current Masters Series status, has been reserved a "500" level week though its litigation against the ATP "is ongoing" the ATP told Tennis Week.

Monte-Carlo reached an out-of-court settlement in the tournament's anti-trust lawsuit against the ATP in July. Under terms of that agreement, Monte Carlo has dropped its lawsuit against the ATP and will retain its Masters Series status, but lose the player commitment requirement of other Masters Series events starting in 2009.

In announcing the 10 host sites for its "500" series, the ATP touts the "500" tournaments alone will bring over $200 million of facility investment into new stadia builds at Acapulco, Beijing and Valencia; as well as existing facility upgrades in Barcelona, Rotterdam, Dubai and Memphis" and a "$600 million investment into upgrades and new facilities via the “1000” tournaments."

The facility upgrades and new stadia combined with what the ATP claims is "$200 million of committed marketing support, prize money and other investments" leaves tour execs excited by the prospect of a 10-figure "$1 billion" investment into men’s tennis from 2009. If those numbers are accurate — and the ATP did not provided specifics in today's release — it would be quite a coup for a Tour which will lose leading sponsor Mercedes-Benz, when it's current three-year sponsorship pact concludes on Dec. 31, 2008.

Without specific documentation of the new stadia and planned upgrades its difficult to quantify the validity of the numbers the ATP presents, however if the men's circuit can enforce its promise for mandatory annual player participation at four "500" events, including one post-U.S. Open "500" it will be a positive step for a Tour that has seen several top players, including Roger Federer, Rafael Nadal, Novak Djokovic and Andy Roddick pull out of tournaments in recent weeks.

Since assuming his post, ATP Executive Chairman and President Etienne de Villiers has said streamlining the ATP schedule to create a more cohesive collection of tournaments around the four Grand Slam tournaments and the ATP season-ending Tennis Masters Cup to create a healthier schedule for players and a more attractive package for sponsors and broadcast partners is his primary aim.

If the investment in men's tennis in the form of facility upgrades is accurate then the tournaments will be doing their part in contributing to the new-look Tour in 2009. In order for tennis' television audience to grow — which is imperative in persuading sponsors to reach into their pockets and buy commercial time during tennis telecasts — the game's governing bodies must be willing to create a cohesive, understandable schedule that builds audience attention toward the four primary peaks that are the Grand Slam tournaments while retaining the value in of the "1000" and "500" events that will form foundation of the Tour.

"The changes we are undertaking represent the biggest shake up of the ATP Tour since its inception but reflect a true appetite for the sport in emerging and key markets; as well as an expression of ambition and confidence in the future. In total more than $1 billion of added capital and increases in tournament ‘on site financial’ commitments will be made," said Etienne de Villiers, Executive Chairman of the ATP. "Our objective has been to provide a Tour structure that tells the best story of our global circuit. We need to have the best players playing in the best stadia, in the best markets at the right time. Our players, fans, tournaments and sponsors deserve a world class Tour and that is what we will be giving them in 2009."

The questions remain: can the ATP enforce player participation to create the competitive climate and consistent rivalries vital to the sport's popularity? And will the Tour be able to sell the restructured circuit to sponsors and broadcast partners? Answering those questions will ultimately determine how much value will accompany the ATP's new numbers.
One other question: who in the world proposed this theatre of the absurd?
sawan66278 is offline View My Blog!   Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 

Old 10-06-2007, 07:53 PM   #2
country flag Marek.
................
 
Marek.'s Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Somewhere that's too hot
Posts: 5,237
Marek. has a reputation beyond reputeMarek. has a reputation beyond reputeMarek. has a reputation beyond reputeMarek. has a reputation beyond reputeMarek. has a reputation beyond reputeMarek. has a reputation beyond reputeMarek. has a reputation beyond reputeMarek. has a reputation beyond reputeMarek. has a reputation beyond reputeMarek. has a reputation beyond reputeMarek. has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: 2009-the possible beginning of the end of men's tennis?

Yeah, 2009 is starting to look like a joke year. Hopefully 2008 will be great.
Marek. is offline View My Blog!   Reply With Quote
Old 10-06-2007, 07:55 PM   #3
country flag FedFan_2007
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Cylon Base Ship
Posts: 12,385
FedFan_2007 has a reputation beyond reputeFedFan_2007 has a reputation beyond reputeFedFan_2007 has a reputation beyond reputeFedFan_2007 has a reputation beyond reputeFedFan_2007 has a reputation beyond reputeFedFan_2007 has a reputation beyond reputeFedFan_2007 has a reputation beyond reputeFedFan_2007 has a reputation beyond reputeFedFan_2007 has a reputation beyond reputeFedFan_2007 has a reputation beyond reputeFedFan_2007 has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: 2009-the possible beginning of the end of men's tennis?

Believe me, these 2009 changes will NOT happen. I lay my foot down here!
FedFan_2007 is offline View My Blog!   Reply With Quote
Old 10-06-2007, 08:45 PM   #4
country flag jonny84
Registered User
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Age: 30
Posts: 2,781
jonny84 has a reputation beyond reputejonny84 has a reputation beyond reputejonny84 has a reputation beyond reputejonny84 has a reputation beyond reputejonny84 has a reputation beyond reputejonny84 has a reputation beyond reputejonny84 has a reputation beyond reputejonny84 has a reputation beyond reputejonny84 has a reputation beyond reputejonny84 has a reputation beyond reputejonny84 has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: 2009-the possible beginning of the end of men's tennis?

What is wrong with labeling the premium events "The Masters Series"?

I dont know why they want to change it!
jonny84 is offline View My Blog!   Reply With Quote
Old 10-06-2007, 08:47 PM   #5
country flag GlennMirnyi
Banned!
 
GlennMirnyi's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: I'm in Porto Alegre, bitch!
Posts: 42,099
GlennMirnyi has a reputation beyond reputeGlennMirnyi has a reputation beyond reputeGlennMirnyi has a reputation beyond reputeGlennMirnyi has a reputation beyond reputeGlennMirnyi has a reputation beyond reputeGlennMirnyi has a reputation beyond reputeGlennMirnyi has a reputation beyond reputeGlennMirnyi has a reputation beyond reputeGlennMirnyi has a reputation beyond reputeGlennMirnyi has a reputation beyond reputeGlennMirnyi has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: 2009-the possible beginning of the end of men's tennis?

Too much marketing, too less real action.
GlennMirnyi is offline View My Blog!   Reply With Quote
Old 10-06-2007, 09:03 PM   #6
country flag gusman890
Registered User
 
gusman890's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Age: 24
Posts: 3,158
gusman890 has a reputation beyond reputegusman890 has a reputation beyond reputegusman890 has a reputation beyond reputegusman890 has a reputation beyond reputegusman890 has a reputation beyond reputegusman890 has a reputation beyond reputegusman890 has a reputation beyond reputegusman890 has a reputation beyond reputegusman890 has a reputation beyond reputegusman890 has a reputation beyond reputegusman890 has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: 2009-the possible beginning of the end of men's tennis?

too less rationalization more like it.

the tour will be a joke.
__________________
I cannot stand Djokovic
NEW YORK METS

I'm an American who loves clay tennis and the clay season...what is wrong with that picture?
gusman890 is offline View My Blog!   Reply With Quote
Old 10-06-2007, 09:21 PM   #7
country flag DrJules
Registered User
 
DrJules's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Posts: 10,593
DrJules has a reputation beyond reputeDrJules has a reputation beyond reputeDrJules has a reputation beyond reputeDrJules has a reputation beyond reputeDrJules has a reputation beyond reputeDrJules has a reputation beyond reputeDrJules has a reputation beyond reputeDrJules has a reputation beyond reputeDrJules has a reputation beyond reputeDrJules has a reputation beyond reputeDrJules has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: 2009-the possible beginning of the end of men's tennis?

It seems presentational rather than fundamental change.
DrJules is offline View My Blog!   Reply With Quote
Old 10-06-2007, 09:46 PM   #8
country flag nolop
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Posts: 873
nolop has a reputation beyond reputenolop has a reputation beyond reputenolop has a reputation beyond reputenolop has a reputation beyond reputenolop has a reputation beyond reputenolop has a reputation beyond reputenolop has a reputation beyond reputenolop has a reputation beyond reputenolop has a reputation beyond reputenolop has a reputation beyond reputenolop has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: 2009-the possible beginning of the end of men's tennis?

paranoid much?.
__________________
Fernando....
nolop is offline View My Blog!   Reply With Quote
Old 10-06-2007, 09:55 PM   #9
country flag Sunset of Age
Anathemaniac
 
Sunset of Age's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: The Wall.
Posts: 41,910
Sunset of Age has a reputation beyond reputeSunset of Age has a reputation beyond reputeSunset of Age has a reputation beyond reputeSunset of Age has a reputation beyond reputeSunset of Age has a reputation beyond reputeSunset of Age has a reputation beyond reputeSunset of Age has a reputation beyond reputeSunset of Age has a reputation beyond reputeSunset of Age has a reputation beyond reputeSunset of Age has a reputation beyond reputeSunset of Age has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: 2009-the possible beginning of the end of men's tennis?

Quote:
Originally Posted by sawan66278 View Post
One other question: who in the world proposed this theatre of the absurd?
So-called "Marketing Managers" - the guys & gals that give NOTHING about the game, but all the more about the money...

It strikes me as being merely window dressing - no real changes, only renaming things, the purpose of which being a complete to me. *sigh*
__________________
"It's getting colder, I'm getting colder, older, it's getting colder...

Am I still here? As one, with The Fear?
Am I still alive? I'm still f*cking ... Here...!"


"The Storm Before The Calm"

Anathema

Into music of the PROG-Dorky-kind? visit my blog or MTF's Prog Rock Thread.
Sunset of Age is offline View My Blog!   Reply With Quote
Old 10-06-2007, 09:56 PM   #10
country flag Horatio Caine
-LIFETIME MEMBER-
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Posts: 24,604
Horatio Caine has a reputation beyond reputeHoratio Caine has a reputation beyond reputeHoratio Caine has a reputation beyond reputeHoratio Caine has a reputation beyond reputeHoratio Caine has a reputation beyond reputeHoratio Caine has a reputation beyond reputeHoratio Caine has a reputation beyond reputeHoratio Caine has a reputation beyond reputeHoratio Caine has a reputation beyond reputeHoratio Caine has a reputation beyond reputeHoratio Caine has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: 2009-the possible beginning of the end of men's tennis?

My T-shirt would read "RIP ATP tennis: ????-2008"

???? - whenever the ATP began.
Horatio Caine is offline View My Blog!   Reply With Quote
Old 10-06-2007, 09:59 PM   #11
country flag FedFan_2007
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Cylon Base Ship
Posts: 12,385
FedFan_2007 has a reputation beyond reputeFedFan_2007 has a reputation beyond reputeFedFan_2007 has a reputation beyond reputeFedFan_2007 has a reputation beyond reputeFedFan_2007 has a reputation beyond reputeFedFan_2007 has a reputation beyond reputeFedFan_2007 has a reputation beyond reputeFedFan_2007 has a reputation beyond reputeFedFan_2007 has a reputation beyond reputeFedFan_2007 has a reputation beyond reputeFedFan_2007 has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: 2009-the possible beginning of the end of men's tennis?

ATP tennis will live LONG and PROUD. 2009 will be the best year ever!!!
FedFan_2007 is offline View My Blog!   Reply With Quote
Old 10-07-2007, 02:57 AM   #12
country flag Rafa = Fed Killa
POWER...UNLIMITED...POWER
 
Rafa = Fed Killa's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Age: 30
Posts: 5,046
Rafa = Fed Killa has a reputation beyond reputeRafa = Fed Killa has a reputation beyond reputeRafa = Fed Killa has a reputation beyond reputeRafa = Fed Killa has a reputation beyond reputeRafa = Fed Killa has a reputation beyond reputeRafa = Fed Killa has a reputation beyond reputeRafa = Fed Killa has a reputation beyond reputeRafa = Fed Killa has a reputation beyond reputeRafa = Fed Killa has a reputation beyond reputeRafa = Fed Killa has a reputation beyond reputeRafa = Fed Killa has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: 2009-the possible beginning of the end of men's tennis?

Quote:
Originally Posted by FedFan_2007 View Post
ATP tennis will live LONG and PROUD. 2009 will be the best year ever!!!
The idiot doesn't understand the hell that is coming.
__________________
The ATP deserves a better class of player, and I'm gonna give it to 'em - Djoker

RIP TENNIS JUNE 7, 2009


Do what must be done.
Do not hesitate.
Show no mercy.
Rafa = Fed Killa is offline View My Blog!   Reply With Quote
Old 10-07-2007, 10:46 AM   #13
country flag Action Jackson
Forum Umpire:
Gaston Gaudio
 
Action Jackson's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Posts: 124,482
Action Jackson has a reputation beyond reputeAction Jackson has a reputation beyond reputeAction Jackson has a reputation beyond reputeAction Jackson has a reputation beyond reputeAction Jackson has a reputation beyond reputeAction Jackson has a reputation beyond reputeAction Jackson has a reputation beyond reputeAction Jackson has a reputation beyond reputeAction Jackson has a reputation beyond reputeAction Jackson has a reputation beyond reputeAction Jackson has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: 2009-the possible beginning of the end of men's tennis?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Rafa = Fed Killa View Post
The idiot doesn't understand the hell that is coming.
If this is true Spartan leader, then something has to happen to rid the game of the De Villiers clown.
__________________
On Nadal bumping him on the changeover, Rosol said: "It's ok, he wanted to take my concentration; I knew he would try something".


Wilander on Dimitrov - "He has mind set on imitating Federer and yes it looks good. But he has no idea what to do on the court".

Quote:
Originally Posted by Filo V. View Post
I definitely would have preferred Gaba winning as he needs the points much more, but Jan would have beaten him anyway. I expect Hajek to destroy Machado, like 6-1 6-2.
Machado wins 6-2 6-1
Action Jackson is offline View My Blog!   Reply With Quote
Old 10-07-2007, 11:03 AM   #14
country flag t0x
Registered User
 
t0x's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Wales (=
Posts: 1,619
t0x has a reputation beyond reputet0x has a reputation beyond reputet0x has a reputation beyond reputet0x has a reputation beyond reputet0x has a reputation beyond reputet0x has a reputation beyond reputet0x has a reputation beyond reputet0x has a reputation beyond reputet0x has a reputation beyond reputet0x has a reputation beyond reputet0x has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: 2009-the possible beginning of the end of men's tennis?

Load of bullshit really...

Master Series is a good name for a start. And what good is renaming the tour going to do? Their are problems that need be sorted...
__________________
Federer Express Passenger #163

~♠ Gasquetaires ♠~
un pour tous, tous pour un

Others: Safin - Tursunov - Gonzalez - Berdych - Ancic - Johansson - Youzhny - Cilic - Henman - Karlovic - Mahut
t0x is offline View My Blog!   Reply With Quote
Old 10-07-2007, 11:35 AM   #15
country flag sawan66278
Registered User
 
sawan66278's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Age: 43
Posts: 2,847
sawan66278 has a reputation beyond reputesawan66278 has a reputation beyond reputesawan66278 has a reputation beyond reputesawan66278 has a reputation beyond reputesawan66278 has a reputation beyond reputesawan66278 has a reputation beyond reputesawan66278 has a reputation beyond reputesawan66278 has a reputation beyond reputesawan66278 has a reputation beyond reputesawan66278 has a reputation beyond reputesawan66278 has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: 2009-the possible beginning of the end of men's tennis?

Think about it...we as fans don't really have the best grasp on the PRESENT ATP system. Imagine this with 1000's and 500's and tourneys like Monte Carlo that aren't 1000's but are worth 1000 points...with an Asian swing which focuses on Asian tourneys...worth how many points? This is all simply madness!!!!!!!!!!!!

This proposal reminds me of DC comics with their attempts to have 53 different versions of earth...with their own histories (ex. each has a "Batman, etc.)...

This will simply lead the casual fan to believe that the Slams are all that matter...and after seeing this proposal...perhaps they are correct.

I suppose this is what you get when you have "unified front" of Roger and Rafa against the ATP handlers like Mr. Disney
sawan66278 is offline View My Blog!   Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump


Copyright (C) Verticalscope Inc
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.6.8
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
vBCredits v1.4 Copyright ©2007, PixelFX Studios