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Old 03-28-2008, 03:08 PM   #121
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Representatives of Pretty Boy and the Hitman have apparanrently started talks regarding a re-match in Spring 2009 at Wembley. Hatton would have to beat Lazcano on May 24th, and Mayweather won have to win his re-match against Golden Boy on September 20th this year, for that to happen. Hopefully the talks and negotiations will be successful.
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Old 07-27-2008, 11:55 AM   #122
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Just watched COTTO vs MARGHERITO.... anyone else see this fight...?

proper candidate for fight of the year... cotto's my fave stylist since tszyu got retired... but, f*** the margerhito is one scary m****f****... oh my godfather... just kept marching on... cotto hitting 'tijuana tornado' with beastly shots - meant nothing... cant believe it 3-1 underdog... smashed his way to an 11rd win...

if you havent seen this fight... have a look...

just pips CASAMAYOR vs KATSIDIS for fight of the year for mine...
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bumped this for yet another premature death of a boxer

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Irish Olympic medal-winning boxer Darren Sutherland was found dead at his home in England today.

The 27-year-old, who won a bronze medal for Ireland at the 2008 Games in Beijing, was found in his flat in Bromley, south London, by his manager and boxing promoter Frank Maloney.

"It is very sad and unexpected," Mr Maloney said in a statement released tonight. "At this sad time my thoughts are with Darren's family, and I hope their privacy at this very difficult time will be respected by the media."

He described it as a "tragedy for Ireland and the world of boxing".

A London police spokesman said Sutherland was pronounced dead just after 3pm. His death is not being treated as suspicious, and his family have been informed.

The fighter had made made a promising start to his professional career at super middleweight. He won his debut fight in Dublin last December by a knockout and was undefeated after four fights. His last fight was in London just eight weeks ago.
pretty fucked up.

I only recently read this article about the spate of deaths during the summer:

http://www.edgeofsports.com/2009-08-12-444/index.html
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Old 09-15-2009, 02:21 AM   #124
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Reminds me of Montcourt's death.

Strange .

Drugs?
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Old 09-19-2009, 09:58 PM   #125
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Can Marquez do it? Beat that punk....
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Old 09-19-2009, 10:07 PM   #126
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Old 09-20-2009, 04:57 AM   #127
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Well, Mayweather thoroughly outclassed Marquez in dominant style! It was a unanimous decision on the scorecards and he knocked down Marquez in round 3 and was never troubled. Mayweather landed 59 % of his punches as opposed to I think it was 7 or 11% from Marquez.

This victory was supremely impressive, with Marquez being a consensus pound 4 pound number 2, and yet despite this, the difference in class and ability (and weight) was all too apparent.

Mayweather was superior in all departments, out countering the counter puncher, out thinking the tactical thinker. He was faster, stronger, punched harder and you could have never have guessed by watching this fight that Marquez could possibly be one of the worlds great fighter; Mayweather was that good.

Mayweather was on a different planet, and we should expect him to improve now that he has got warmed up again.

The man is BACK.
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Not a fan of FM but he is one absolute genius. He just dodges everything, glides past every attack, like a super version of Nadal/Murray who can't be hurt by offense.

Madness.

Pacquiao won't beat him. He's indestructible.
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Not a fan of FM but he is one absolute genius. He just dodges everything, glides past every attack, like a super version of Nadal/Murray who can't be hurt by offense.

Madness.

Pacquiao won't beat him. He's indestructible.
Definitely agree here. Mayweather's overall skill set is simply phenominal. He lacks some fire power compared to some others - for example Roy Jones and Meldrick Taylor could put together greater combinations and with more power pound for pound (Roy Jones). Everything else though is completely brilliant, defense, ring craft, adaptability, chin, accuracy, stamina, foot speed, hand speed. All of those aspects are an A plus maybe with the exception of chin but only because he is so damn good that he never gets clocked hard, so to a degree it is unproven.

The other question would be his heart, but I bet if faced with adversity it would show up pretty big.

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He has so many supreme statistical performances against many other good - great fighters. Depending on what path he goes down now he could end his career with being considered as top 5 or higher pound for pound in history, though I feel his belligerent and aggressive nature won't help his cause at all in the eyes of the critics, but especially the masses.
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http://www.thesweetscience.com/boxin...wins-decision/

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He made it look so simple, one wondered why Floyd Mayweather couldn’t summon the resolve to make 144 pounds on Friday. After 21 months away from the ring, Mayweather’s speed and power were in full bloom in the main event at the MGM Grand in Las Vegas on Saturday night. He sent Juan Manuel Marquez, who looked small and slow compared to Mayweather, to the canvas in the second round, and if he had chosen to, likely could have dropped and stopped the Mexican hitter. The judges cards were as wide as they should’ve been: 118-109, 120-107, 119-108, a unanimous decision for Mayweather.

TSS agreed with the 120-107 card. Floyd went 290-493, a 59% connect percentage, while Marquez was 69-583 (12%).



Will the boxer, who complained earlier this week that sports fans in the US have racist tendencies, and this diminishes his popularity, see an uptick in that department? Not likely, as many will say Marquez was damaged goods, too old and light, coming in to the event. The stain from Mayweather “buying” a weight advantage, and forcing Marquez to make 144, while he didn’t have to, will linger in the minds of fight fans. Pro Floyd fans will be of the mind that with this showing he has retaken his pound for pound crown, with no close challenger, because his domination was so thorough. I choose to buy into arguments from both camps; Marquez did show the age that had Juan Diaz schooling him early in their battle, and Floyd possesses such acumen, and makes it look so easy in the flow, that right now, to me, he has to be seen as the best boxer in the world.



Mayweather strolled to the ring with WWE entertainer Triple H. When Michael Buffer called out his name, as Jim Lampley recounted the laundry list of alleged misdeeds and allegations against him and his family, mostly boos rained down, but there were some cheers, as well.



Mayweather (40-0; from Michigan; 146 pounds on Friday, ? on fight night; a six time titlist) and “Dinimita” Marquez (50-5-1; from Mexico; 142 pounds on Friday; 148 pounds on fight night; a three time titlist) were overseen by ref Tony Weeks. Burt Clements, Bill Lerch and Dave Moretti were charged with scoring the bout.

In the first round, we saw that Mayweather looked a class, maybe two, bigger than Marquez. Floyd’s jabs looked thudding and his hooks hurtful. Lead hooks clanged home early, and left marks behind. No rust was apparent on Floyd. Roger Mayweather worked Floyd’s corner and Floyd Senior looked on from the stands. In the second, lead left hooks worked for Floyd again. Marquez landed a right, and the crowd roared, and Floyd grinned. Then Floyd knocked Marquez down with a left hook, with 1:25 left in the round. He threw it as Marquez was readying a right. Floyd backed off then, careful not to get suckered. In the third, Marquez was beaten to the punch, repeatedly, by Floyd’s speedballs. He wasn’t slipping effectively, but Floyd offered a 50% round, effort-wise. It was still enough to win the session. “Left hooks, that’s all he has,” Nacho Beristain told Marquez. In the fourth, Marquez hit with a straight right as Floyd was on the ropes. Some blood appeared on Marquez’ right eye. In the fifth, Marquez was able to excite the crowd when he came forward. He looked like he was warmed up, and he was helped by Floyd’s choice to back up, and get some work in. “He’s winning it,” said Beristain after the fifth, rightly. In the sixth, Floyd bounced, and grinned, totally certain that even if by chance Marquez landed, nothing would come of it. A right cross by Mayweather at the end of the round landed flush, but Marquez saw it coming, and didn’t crumple. Ref Weeks asked him if he wanted to continue, and he did. Marquez advanced on Floyd at the end of the round, but couldn’t cut off the ring. One wondered if Floyd wanted to get rounds in in the middle rounds. He played peekaboo on the ropes in the eighth, and just covered up as Marquez labored in vain. Lampley and Kellerman got a bit bored, and talked about Shane Mosley, who Max said had been trying to lure Mayweather into a fight for eight years. In the ninth, Floyd came right down the middle, cutting through Marquez’ guard, or beating him to the punch as he started to wind up. Floyd’s one-jab-at-a-time strategy worked wonders; he’d deliver one, pause to collect himself and read the Mexican’s reaction, and repeat. Harold Lederman had it 9-0, Floyd, to this point. Lampley said that Floyd was landing 57% of his punches, and wondered if the Sugar Rays did the same. Floyd should be reminded of this the next time he tries to belittle the HBO crew. HBO didn’t go to Floyd’s corner to listen in to Uncle Roger, as Floyd banned them from doing so. Amazing, considering that HBO provided the infrastructure and platform to allow him to show off his considerable skills. For now, and for the future, they will put up with his petulance, because they make buckets of money off of him. But oh how they must grit their teeth at his antics…



In the 11th, Marquez stuck around, that’s about the most you can say for him. “Throw your combinations,” said a resigned Beristain. Floyd didn’t go all in, and try and close the show, which is to me, bizarre. Is there anyone out there who thought that with a super-sustained barrage, he wouldn’t have stopped Marquez. We’d go to the cards, after a strong Mayweather showing, in a drama free tussle.





Come back for David Avila’s ringside report.



---Mayweather told HBO he would not agree to being weighed on their unofficial scale on fight night; Marquez agreed, and he was 148. Before the bout, Marquez trainer Nacho Beristain said that he thought Mayweather refused to make 144 to “secure the victory.” He said he expected Mayweather to be 152 pounds on fight night. Marquez was also asked about Floyd’s weight issue. He told Max Kellerman that “this isn’t a problem, overall an issue it’s not going to be an issue for us.”

---Marquez said he would rather have had Floyd make the weight, as opposed to earning an extra $300,000 per pound over 144 charged to Mayweather, for a total of $600,000. Mayweather, we learned, refused to do a fighter-commentary crew meeting on Friday, and also nixed a pre-fight interview with Kellerman prior to his bout.

---Lampley said the arena looked pretty close to capacity.
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Definitely agree here. Mayweather's overall skill set is simply phenominal. He lacks some fire power compared to some others - for example Roy Jones and Meldrick Taylor could put together greater combinations and with more power pound for pound (Roy Jones). Everything else though is completely brilliant, defense, ring craft, adaptability, chin, accuracy, stamina, foot speed, hand speed. All of those aspects are an A plus maybe with the exception of chin but only because he is so damn good that he never gets clocked hard, so to a degree it is unproven.

The other question would be his heart, but I bet if faced with adversity it would show up pretty big.

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He has so many supreme statistical performances against many other good - great fighters. Depending on what path he goes down now he could end his career with being considered as top 5 or higher pound for pound in history, though I feel his belligerent and aggressive nature won't help his cause at all in the eyes of the critics, but especially the masses.
Pacquiao is the only fighter with a real shot, for two reasons.

Firstly, he's a lefty. Mayweather is slightly more susceptible to the left simply because of how he defends, with the left shoulder raised up underneath the chin.

Secondly, he's more susceptible to straight shots. You might as well not throw hooks, nor come in from angles. The only way you're getting a clean hit on Mayweather, unless you catch him while he's throwing, is straight down the pipe. Pacquiao is about the only fighter I can think of who throws those types of shots.

Thirdly, he has the speed to match Mayweather. Pac is lightnining quick.

This fight has to happen. The only way it won't happen is if Mayweather is unreasonable about the purse. Pacquiao is a bigger draw and he needs to accept that. It's a big risk for Mayweather, putting his undefeated record on the line against easily his biggest challenge (although I still maintain that Castillo won their first fight). If he beats Pacquiao, he could do down as the greatest ever.
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Pacquiao is the only fighter with a real shot, for two reasons.

Firstly, he's a lefty. Mayweather is slightly more susceptible to the left simply because of how he defends, with the left shoulder raised up underneath the chin.

Secondly, he's more susceptible to straight shots. You might as well not throw hooks, nor come in from angles. The only way you're getting a clean hit on Mayweather, unless you catch him while he's throwing, is straight down the pipe. Pacquiao is about the only fighter I can think of who throws those types of shots.

Thirdly, he has the speed to match Mayweather. Pac is lightnining quick.

This fight has to happen. The only way it won't happen is if Mayweather is unreasonable about the purse. Pacquiao is a bigger draw and he needs to accept that. It's a big risk for Mayweather, putting his undefeated record on the line against easily his biggest challenge (although I still maintain that Castillo won their first fight). If he beats Pacquiao, he could do down as the greatest ever.
I agree with your analysis, the lefty bit in particular.

However, I don't agree about Pacman being the bigger draw. Not after last nights performance. Floyd has achieved some mega pay per view figures before, greater than Pac's I believe. The purse should probably be 50/50, but I bet Mayweather demands around about 60/40. Things could change though after Pacquiao vs Cotto, depending on the result and how it will be achieved.

Also, I think he would have to do more than beat Pacquiao to go down as the greatest ever. The initial ricochet would result in such claims, but after the dust has settled all the major critics and the masses alike would want him to try and clear out the welterweight division against the numerous top names within it (very deep division). They will cite the fact that Pacquiao and Marquez were, in reality, both smaller men than Mayweather. People will wanna see him up against Mosley, Cotto and maybe even somebody like Paul Williams.

As for Castillo winning that first encounter, I need to watch the fight again but I remember scoring it for Castillo first time round. Mayweather returned though and did a job on him. Pacman on the other hand was arguably given TWO gift decisions.

Let's hope Pacquiao beats Cotto in November...

The fight has to be made.
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Big fight night tonight. Both boxing and UFC events are being held this evening. Any predictions for the big fights?

I reckon Pacquiao knocks Cotto out, what with Miguel have a jaw like a chandelier. I also predict a Vera knockout over Couture, unfortunately. Randy doesn't have the punch resistance he used to have.
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