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Old 05-16-2004, 05:14 PM   #31
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Yes, Lee, I think friends sharing with you something they think is wonderful is a lot different than people accosting you either at your door or on the street.

But it is difficult when I don't share their excitement. I have a religous backgroud. I find theology interesting and useful in my life, but I am not religous. It's not that I haven't been exposed to deeply religous people who I respect, but I don't have that psychological bent that it evidently takes to have a belief in the supernatural. So, it is difficult for me to listen to people who are spouting rather unexamined religous beliefs while keeping my mouth shut and not challenging them.

I've come to think that both belief and non belief are emotional choices. I think that there is something in man that desires to have a religous belief of some sort because having some religous system is common to nearly every culture past and present. But whatever it is that pulls man to this condition, I just don't have. I respect people who do believe and I don't hold out my non-belief to be superior to their belief. I simply wish religous people respected my non-belief.

I think it is very difficult to be an atheist in America. Maybe easier than to be on in Saudi Arabia...... but still......
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You know what I notice as well, that we as tennis fans seem are very tolerating to other peoples and religion, especially on this board because tennis players are all unique, relgion and otherwise, and that we as fans relate to the fact that all of them are players who accept each other as well. We ourselves are very different, yet treat each other as equals because it is not the lifestyle or religion that counts, it's the person who does.
Did Oprah agree, Dr. Phil? I do agree with you, though

I actually have a bible myself. Have yet to read it though. But extreme religious behaviour and excessive signs of religion or the misuse of it can really make me sick. I was in Paris for school the other day (well, two months ago now) and we went to the Notre Dame too. So, we went in and I really got a bad feeling. Since when did the catholicism become money-making business? At the exit, there was a machine where you could listen to the Pope for like €5. Ridiculous! The same thing at the Sacré Coeur, where they were selling 'unique coins' of the church. That vending machine was part of a series by the way, that is what it said. And I don't need a Jehovah's witness at my door either. Shove it!

Now that may all sound quite harsh, but I really respect people who practise their religions at home. Wear a cross or a veil if you want to, but don't exploit it and don't force your thoughts on others. That goes for both politics and religion. Extravagancy isn't meant to be a part of religion anyway.
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Since when did the catholicism become money-making business?
Hundreds of years ago...

As is the case with many world religions.
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I can't stand ppl who think that ones that aren't the same religion are inferior. unfortuantely, my colleagues (who are all orthodox, i am catholic and catholics are a minority in romania) think that orthodoxes are better than us and keep on pityng us, not to mention their attitude towards muslim or jews or whatever. I'm not trying to say that all orthodoxes are like that, I'm far from believing that, bcos there are ppl of all religions that blive that they are better than the others.

Why can't ppl understand that there is diversity on this goddam earth? when will they understand it???!!!!!
that's why i hate gw bush's policy: he is so dumb and doesn't understand that muslims and iraqi ppl don't need americans and american or western culture!!!
but now i ashould turn this thread into a political one....

the idea is that ppl that try to force others to share their beliefs are just stupid and i hate them!
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I can't stand ppl who think that ones that aren't the same religion are inferior. unfortuantely, my colleagues (who are all orthodox, i am catholic and catholics are a minority in romania) think that orthodoxes are better than us and keep on pityng us, not to mention their attitude towards muslim or jews or whatever. I'm not trying to say that all orthodoxes are like that, I'm far from believing that, bcos there are ppl of all religions that blive that they are better than the others.

Why can't ppl understand that there is diversity on this goddam earth? when will they understand it???!!!!!
that's why i hate gw bush's policy: he is so dumb and doesn't understand that muslims and iraqi ppl don't need americans and american or western culture!!!
but now i ashould turn this thread into a political one....

the idea is that ppl that try to force others to share their beliefs are just stupid and i hate them!
I like you.

And i dont mind if you turn this into a political thread against mad cowboy Bush
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Martijn, sorry you have the false illusion that God himself will keep Notre Dame standing. It costs lots of money to maintain something that old and big.

My hubby was responsible to the maintenance of our church (in Canada) which is about 50 years old and trust me, God did not move a finger to help us fix the roof, repair the washing machine in the church hall kitchen and keep the church warm in the winter.

And back to the topic. Everyday, we are force feed with lots of advertisement, promotions, pop-ups in MTF, etc. Religion is not the only one. Being a Catholic, I don't enjoy have Jehowah Witness knocking on my door. I also don't enjoy having average 15 telemarketing calls a day. The only thing I try to do is being more patient and tolerant. Those telemarketers on the phone are paid a minimum wage and trying to earn a living. Those Jehowah Witnesses belief in their religion like I belief in mine. I try to be more understanding and tolerant, that's all I can say although I can't do it everyday since I'm not a saint.

If there is bit more tolerance, a bit more patience and a bit more understanding toward each other in Middle-East, may be Peace will come.
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I liked that post, Lee.
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The church in Purley 3 miles where i live....it says "Jesus saves" on poster outside but they never tell you what pension scheme he is with.

I came over badly in one of my earlier posts and more agressive than i wanted to be purely as i am fed up of being harrased by religious nuts at busy bus and train stations in london who when you say not intersted follow you about and will only leave u alone if u are agressive.

I think people who go out tryign to recruit for their religion are actually giving it a very poor and seedy profile as I always thought religion is somethign you find within yourself and seems nowdays to get treated like rounding up people to join a gym or squash club, and so often i hear "a financial contribution contribution from urself would be greatly appreciated" I am bloody sure it would and its just not happening, not out my pocket, theres two hopes...bob hope and no hope !!!
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denim, I'm really sorry about your experience. There are always black sheep in a family and hopefully, you won't judge all religious people by those you encounter. Actually, those are more cults using religions as a shield.

I always laughed whenever I saw the slogan, "Trust in God and you'll be saved". Well, I trust in God but if I kill, steal and cheat, I'll still be saved? That's not what religion teaches me. Somehow between trust in God and you'll be saved, that's a ton of work to be done.
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Well I dont know if I can say I am atheist i know something is out there and we didnt evolve with a big bang, I just dont know what and am very open about it, who is to say god is a he or she or neither???? or is even called god???? we dont belive tabloids but we believe in a book written so long ago......

definetely other life planes and a spirit world out there, I know as i have had some very strange experiences.....I just dont like way it is all told out like a story and all the religions give you different versions when in truth nobody will know untill we die, only then will we know the other life planes, its fact there is spirit world after you die and anyone who disbelives should do a ouaji board to find proof for themselves.

I love not knowing and having an open mind, I know something is there after we die for us to go on to.

And glad you agree with me on the commerical branding of religion which is bad with posters and slogans..........I really wish religions would not clash like football teams and accept and respect and Iza was spot on about Bush, he is probably biggest stirrer and trouble maker when it comes to world religion.
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Lee, i like your way of practising your faith. believing in it and hoping that others will one day believe too, but not trying to impose it on all and sundry

i think most of us here do not really have a big problem with religion and ppl practising their religion. what irks us is the fact that while we respect the fact that they have their religious faith and are ttrying to hold true to their beliefs, they're not respecting our own beliefs and our own way of thinking.

i've got a classmate who was trying to evangelise to me and asking for respect and tolerance for her beliefs, then she shot herself in the foot by expressing her disdain and disgust about her own mother's religious leanings, which were contrary to hers of course. and THAT'S the sort of thing i cannot tolerate.
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Martijn, sorry you have the false illusion that God himself will keep Notre Dame standing. It costs lots of money to maintain something that old and big.
There are other ways than to demand money to listen to sick prayers. What the pope says is controversial to say the least. And they demand a fee to enter anyway. And the city of Paris gives them money. Asking money for burning a candle, that I can understand. It's just the commercial part of it (the coins, prayers) that bothers me. And I don't have the false illusion that God will keep the Notre Dame or Sacré Coeur standing, as I don't have the illusion that God exists anyway.

And 15 calls a day from telemarketeers? I already get annoyed if I get one a day..

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Those Jehowah Witnesses belief in their religion like I belief in mine.
They can believe whatever they like, but they don't have to go on a crusade to convince others of their mighty religion, which is the only correct one. And there is no need for being so pushy either, as it is counterproductive. If the just practise their religion quietly, I am sure that they would have more sincere followers than they have now.


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I really wish religions would not clash like football teams and accept and respect and Iza was spot on about Bush, he is probably biggest stirrer and trouble maker when it comes to world religion.
Maybe one day God will sponsor Manchester United, Buddha coaches Arsenal, Allah manages Liverpool and so on..
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