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Old 08-23-2012, 12:33 AM   #1576
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Nadal needed to win the tournament to stop Federer from taking the #1 spot, that's not the same as living close to the expectations.

LOL seems like others had already pointed this out, I should probably read the page down before answering to posts.
Like many others you have missed my point entirely. Things would have been entirely different if Nadal would have managed to do better at Wimbledon.
I do not care about whatever you call me for calling out the facts, it´s just that Roger managed to take the best of whatever his chances, all the stars indeed alligned for him over there, and once again / whatever other opponents´ failure, one has to grab the opportunity and make the most out of it. Roger did so, and as such, did wonderfully well, reclaiming the CROWN of being the best of all times as far as I´m concerned.

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Old 08-23-2012, 04:55 AM   #1577
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Like many others you have missed my point entirely. Things would have been entirely different if Nadal would have managed to do better at Wimbledon.
I do not care about whatever you call me for calling out the facts, it´s just that Roger managed to take the best of whatever his chances, all the stars indeed alligned for him over there, and once again / whatever other opponents´ failure, one has to grab the opportunity and make the most out of it. Roger did so, and as such, did wonderfully well, reclaiming the CROWN of being the best of all times as far as I´m concerned.

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WOW!!...What facts are you calling out? and where exactly did we misunderstand you??? PLEASE EXPLAIN.... so that we don't reply samething again and again.

Please explain how would things be dramatically different has Nadal managed to better at Wimbledon!! Please explain !

Like so many others have explained nothing would be different unless Nadal won Wimbledon. Remember Roger defeated the No.1 player and defending wimbledon champ on his way to title. Why is Nadal even in the picture when he is neither No.1 nor defending wimbledon champ.
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Old 08-23-2012, 06:43 AM   #1578
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If you convert the ranking system for alloting points in 2004 to today's ranking system, Federer would have around 11,800 -- 11,900 points at the end of the 2004 season. At the age of 30/31, eight seasons later, Federer has accumulated 12,000 + points over the past 52 weeks. Something to think about.
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Old 08-23-2012, 07:45 AM   #1579
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If you convert the ranking system for alloting points in 2004 to today's ranking system, Federer would have around 11,800 -- 11,900 points at the end of the 2004 season. At the age of 30/31, eight seasons later, Federer has accumulated 12,000 + points over the past 52 weeks. Something to think about.
That is true. But then of course 2004 wasn't his best, he was still improving. At the end of 2006 he had what would now be more than 16000 points.
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That is true. But then of course 2004 wasn't his best, he was still improving. At the end of 2006 he had what would now be more than 16000 points.
That's why I used 2004 as an example . 2004 and 2005 are two of his years in his prime yet here he is 7-8 seasons later with the same point totals which is really unheard of. In 2005, he would have had about 12,300 - 12,400 which he is close to now and can surpass if he makes it to the final of the USO. 2006 would have him at about 15,800. 2007 would have him at about 13,600.
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That's why I used 2004 as an example . 2004 and 2005 are two of his years in his prime yet here he is 7-8 seasons later with the same point totals which is really unheard of. In 2005, he would have had about 12,300 - 12,400 which he is close to now and can surpass if he makes it to the final of the USO. 2006 would have him at about 15,800. 2007 would have him at about 13,600.
With the old ranking system, I estimated Fed would have 6695 points at the moment.

He finished 2004 with 6335 points (I displayed the stats here : http://www.menstennisforums.com/show...postcount=1557 )

And even 2005 he finished it with 6725 points, that is approximately the same (and approximately the same Nadal finished 2008 and 2010) ... but he missed 4 MS1000 tournaments that year because of injury (he missed 2 of them in the last 52 weeks)

2006 he finished with 8370 points, 2007 with 7180 points
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Fed becomes only the second man over 30 to enter the US Open ranked number one.

Agassi did it in 2003.

Connors reached world number 1 after winning the USO, but fell just short of McEnroe for year- end world number 1 in 1982.

Lendl fell short at the start of August, 1990.

The record for a player over 30 to get to year end number 1 is Jimmy Connors, at November 14, 1982 where he was world number 1 for a week.

Connors after winning the US Open stayed world number 1 for 7 weeks, from September 13, 1982 to October 31st 1982.

Agassi was world number 1 until September 7th
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Okay, anyone want to tell us what effect tonight's result will have?
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Old 09-11-2012, 03:39 AM   #1585
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Okay, anyone want to tell us what effect tonight's result will have?
I think it stands like this:

(=)1. Federer 11805

(=)2. Djokovic 10470

(+1)3. Murray 8570
(-1)4. Nadal 7515

Points difference between Nole and Fed is now 1,335.
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and the diff in the 2012 points race is only a 1005 lead for Nole

so, catchable
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Thank you based Muzzah .
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and the diff in the 2012 points race is only a 1005 lead for Nole

so, catchable
Definitely catchable, if he can produce another good indoor season. This is one scenario that would be enough:

Federer:
Shanghai F
Basel W
WTF W undefeated

Djokovic:
Beijing W
Shanghai SF
Paris QF
WTF SF two wins

In this case, we end up with Fed 2600 and Djoko 1440 additional points, and a 155 point margin #1 for Fed even without playing Paris.
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Thanks. I'd forgotten all about the Points Race: it doesn't seem to have had much coverage recently (mind you, I'm UK-based - you could say that about most aspects of tennis )
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if Fed plays Shanghai and reaches the QFs there, he will stay number 1 after Shanghai and have 302 weeks guaranteed at number 1 (now he's guaranteed to stay number 1 until the end of Shanghai, that is 299 weeks).

If Fed doesn't play Shanghai or doesn't reach QFs there, Djokovic could take the number 1 after Shanghai only if he won both Beijing and Shanghai.

Yes, for the year-end, there are now 1000 points now in favour of Djokovic ahead of Federer in the Race, and Federer is 2160 points ahead of Murray.

It's clearly opened for Federer even though Djokovic is ahead at the moment.
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