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#1 · (Edited)
By request from a few members to create a separate from Judio's thread with updated rankings, I will start this thread for frequent unofficial live ATP rankings. I will have a small break sometime in the future, but I will return afterwards, so don't worry if there will be a small interruption in the near future.

Now, one advantage to a new thread is that I can explain the color code and display mode for the table.

- The table displays current ranking standings by calculating the number of points dropped at the end of the period mentioned on the head table (the next official ATP rankings date).
- The Drop column details the number of points for all the tournaments that will be taken out of the player's rankings. Multiple tournaments may be dropped for each player, but the tournament with the most points dropped will determine the color of the drop points. For instance, 180 Wimbledon dropped along with 45 ATP 250 in the week after Wimbledon will result in 225 colored in red (Grand Slam color).
- The Gain column displays the total number of points the player has raised at the current tournament.
- The Effective column is the exact number of points the player will win or lose at the next official ranking. The total here is calculated based on all tournaments dropped and all tournaments played (GS qualies, Futures and all other tournaments that will be counted at the next official rankings). The color is determined again by the tournament with most points.
- The second Points column is for the next week after the current week. When no Grand Slam is being played, all current Futures tournaments are first counted there, since they won't be part of the rankings until a week later. Also, all next week's qualifiers will be counted there.
- In all weeks an additional Incoming Futures column is being displayed, along with the total tournament count calculated in advance so that the players with the same number of points are separated properly.
- During Grand Slam qualies another column with the points made there (not yet Live) is added. And during Grand Slams, another column with the points from the tournament is added in case a player goes to another tournament after the GS or GS qualies, but before the next official rankings.
- In the detailed week by week part of the table, you will encounter -1 points for certain players. Those tournaments are actually the tournaments in which the player has received a 0-point penalty for retiring or for not completing at least 4 ATP 500 tournaments in a year.


The colors used as background inside the table mean:
Green - The player is currently not eliminated from the Main Draw.
Red - The player was eliminated from the Main Draw or Qualifying Draw.
Blue - The player is currently playing on the Qualifying Draw.
Orange - The player has retired from any match.
Gray - The player has withdrawn from the tournament, but will incur a 0-point penalty. This will be noted as a -1 in case of ATP 500 events, and 0 in case of ATP 1000. This is due to the fact that ATP 1000 events are recognized as Mandatory by the system, while ATP 500 events are not, and there needs to be a difference between regular 0 (first round loss) and mandatory 0 (penalty).
White - The player currently does not participate in a tournament.


The colors used for text inside the table mean:
Red - The player is/was on a Grand Slam Main Draw
Regular orange - The player is/was on a ATP 1000 Mandatory Masters Main Draw
Light orange - The player is/was on a ATP 1000 Optional (MC) Masters Main Draw
Maroon - The player is/was on the ATP Tour Finals Main Draw
Green - The player is/was on a ATP 500 Main Draw
Olive - The player is/was on the Olympics Main Draw
Purple - The player is/was on a ATP 250 Main Draw
Plum - The player is/was on the World Team Championships tournament
Sky Blue - The player participated in the Davis Cup
Teal - The player is/was on the ATP Challenger Finals
Blue - The player is/was on a Challenger Main Draw
Navy - The player is/was on a 15K Futures Main Draw
Black - The player is/was on a 10K Futures Main Draw
Gray - The player participates on the Qualifying Draw of any tournament
Silver - The player does not participate in a tournament

Link to weekly rankings statistics: Ranking Statistics
Link to old ATP Rankings thread: Old ATP Rankings Thread

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With all the instructions being laid, here comes the table:

Link to complete table: LIVE ATP

Link to official rankings from past Mondays: OFFICIAL RANKINGS

THIS THREAD IS NOW OBSOLETE. FOR RANKINGS UPDATES, CHECK THIS THREAD:
http://www.menstennisforums.com/showthread.php?t=236585
 
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#729 ·
if Berdych wins Paris-Bercy and Ferrer loses to Tsonga, Berdych will be top-5 next monday for the first time of his carreer (with 15 more points than Ferrer) and get the number 4 seed in the WTF (which implies avoiding Murray and facing only one of Djokovic and Federer in the round-robin phase)
 
#738 ·
Anyway, Nadal has 1290 points to defend in the beginning of the next year. It is not easy to come back after missing 6 months and to go all the way until slam final again. If Ferrer wins Paris, I think, we see Ferru as # 4 - maybe not on this year yet -, but in the beginning of 2013 .And I even dont remember when was last time Nadal was not Spain # 1, must be ages ago.
 
#741 · (Edited)
Janowicz provisional number 26, will be number 21 if he wins the final

Anyway he will be a commitment player next year, which will also help him money-wise (anyway he will get sponsors after this run :lol: ),

hence Chardy will not be a commitment player, which is maybe a pity for him money-wise especially considering that I think he owes a lot of money to his former coach Frédéric Fontang.
 
#750 ·
Ferrer won Auckland last year, but those 250 points won't come off of his total until after The Aussie Open seedings are announced. Nadal gained 90 points from Doha, and they will come off as it is before the seeding deadline.

I am not sure about Davis Cup points though.

I reckon Ferrer needs to win at least 2 matches this week in London to have a chance of being seeded 4 for Aussie Open.
 
#755 ·
anyway, with his wins in Valencia and Paris, Ferrer now gets more chance to get to number 4 at one moment in time.

After the Australian open the situation is now like that :
- Djokovic 9420
- Federer 8745
- Murray 6720
- Ferrer 5625
- Nadal 5400
- Berdych 4045

after Acapulco (seedings for Indian Wells) :
Nadal 5400
Ferrer 5185

after Miami (seedings for Monte-Carlo) :
Ferrer 4960
Nadal 4680

after Barcelona (seedings for Madrid) :
Ferrer 4650
Nadal 3180
 
#756 · (Edited)
EDIT : WHAT I SAID HERE IS WRONG APPARENTLY, I PROBABLY ACCIDENTALLY LOOKED AT THE RACE RATHER THAN THE RANKINGS

the rankings are out : not only did they take out PAris-Bercy points from last year but also points from all late challengers last year, which was not in the answer Slasher had received from the ATP.

But they didn't change anything about futures : futures played during Basel last year are still in the ranking points
 
#757 ·
the rankings are out : not only did they take out PAris-Bercy points from last year but also points from all late challengers last year, which was not in the answer Slasher had received from the ATP.

But they didn't change anything about futures : futures played during Basel last year are still in the ranking points
Not really... They didn't pull anything like that out. The synchronization went fine. There were some internet problems here all weekend, so I really have no idea how good the updates worked. Now, it's all fine.:D
 
#762 ·
Does anyone have provisional 3-months, 6-months or 9-months ATP rankings? I am always interested in seeing how the players have done in the short-term. Who has earned the most points since Roland Garros, or since Wimbledon, or since the US Open, for example? Thanks a lot in advance!
 
#766 · (Edited)
After the Aus open here's the situation at the moment not taking into account points earnt in the WTF :

Djokovic 9420
Federer 8745
Murray 6630
Ferrer 5625
Nadal 5400
Berdych 4045
Del Potro 3720
Tsonga 3195
Tipsarevic 2840

After Dubai (seeds for Indian Wells) :
Djokovic 9240
Federer 7760
Murray 6330
Nadal 5400
Ferrer 5185
Berdych 3770
Del Potro 3570
Tsonga 3140
Tipsarevic 2785

After Miami (seeds for Monte-Carlo) :
Djokovic 7880
Federer 6715
Murray 5720
Ferrer 4960
Nadal 4680
Berdych 3635
Del Potro 3300
Tsonga 2870
Tipsarevic 2560

After Barcelona (seeds for Madrid and Roma) :
Djokovic 7280
Federer 6715
Murray 5450
Ferrer 4650
Del Potro 3220
Berdych 3190
Nadal 3180
Tsonga 2710
Tipsarevic 2560

After Roma (seeds for Roland-Garros) :
Djokovic 6500
Murray 5360
Federer 5355
Ferrer 4110
Del Potro 2520
Tsonga 2440
Berdych 2410
Tipsarevic 2190
Nadal 2090

After the French Open :
Djokovic 5300
Murray 5000
Federer 4635
Ferrer 3390
Del Potro 2160
Berdych 2130
Tsonga 2080
Tipsarevic 1830
(Nadal 90)

After Wimbledon here's the top-50 I have :

Code:
1	Djokovic	4580
2	Murray	3800
3	Ferrer	2780
4	Federer	2485
5	Berdych	2075
6	Del Potro	1980
7	Tipsarevic	1740
8	Gasquet	1400
9	Cilic	1375
10	Tsonga	1340
11	Isner	1320
12	Dolgopolov	1190
13	Monaco	1190
14	Querrey	1170
15	Nishikori	1145
16	Raonic	1090
17	Haas	1080
18	Almagro	995
19	Janowicz	919
20	Wawrinka	820
21	Simon	815
22	Fish	720
23	Klizan	720
24	Seppi	670
25	Chardy	631
26	Kohlschreiber	620
27	Bellucci	585
28	Baghdatis	575
29	Granollers	565
30	F Lopez	555
31	Zemlja	551
32	Roddick	495
33	Hanescu	492
34	Gimeno-Traver	477
35	Dimitrov	470
36	Mathieu	466
37	Llodra	463
38	F Mayer	450
39	Hewitt	445
40	Davydenko	440
41	Fognini	430
42	Lu Yen Hsun	425
43	Anderson	422
44	Benneteau	420
45	Müller	418
46	Youzhny	405
47	Sijsling	405
48	Stepanek	395
49	Blake 	393
50	Berankis	379
As a comparison the points earnt by the top-10 players who got most points after Wimbledon in 2011 :

Code:
Djokovic	4 160
Federer	4 005
Murray	3 660
Tsonga	2 900
Nadal	2 260
Ferrer	2 185
Berdych	2 070
Fish	1 820
Tipsarevic	1 785
Isner	1 455
in 2010 :

Code:
Federer	5 530
Nadal	4 220
Djokovic	3 685
Murray	3 135
Söderling	2 385
Monfils	2 030
Ferrer	1 440
Fish	1 385
Youzhny	1 260
Nalbandian	1 145
in 2009 :

Code:
Djokovic	4 260
Del Potro	4 170
Davydenko	4 110
Federer	3 090
Murray	2 530
Nadal	2 400
Söderling	1 785
Tsonga	1 455
Monfils	1 445
Verdasco	1 270
in 2008 doubling the points from the ancient ranking system:

Code:
Murray	5 210
Djokovic	4 100
Nadal	3 850
Federer	3 760
Del Potro	3 420
Simon	2 920
Tsonga	2 100
Roddick	2 050
Davydenko	1 940
Nalbandian	1 900
As you see, it's not a good end of year for Federer and he'd better do well in the WTF. Although 2008 and especially 2009 were not very good either.

Djokovic has regularly been good in these post-Wimbledon periods, and Murray has been irregular : this period of the year has been a good one for him this year.
 
#763 ·
Slasher, why do you say that everyone, except for Ferrer and Federer, has been knocked out of the WTF?

Paris was last week, not next week.
 
#765 · (Edited)
Please have patience with these things. It was obviously an error, which has now been remedied. I apologize for the inconvenience.

Why was it happening ? Simple... ATP was not actually taking Paris out from the Schedule they have. They just comment their code, but the tournament data was still there. My code takes anything that is on that page and, if it is not present in the current tournament list, adds it as a next week tournament. Paris was taken out since the tournament was finished, that is why it was being called for next week. I had to add new code to account for this change (specific only for this week). The players called as eliminated or retired was caused by this change as well, because the automated system was checking Paris all over again.

I don't really understand why when a player retires that they are still in the ranking if they want to be, they should be taken off the computer right away, it makes no sense to still be there, it's just taking up a spot for others, ATP has to change this.
Players retiring is not by ATP choice, but by player choice. The players basically announce they won't be playing any more tournaments, which does not concern the ATP. ATP doesn't have to do anything. Players can change their mind and continue playing despite announcing not playing anymore. They shouldn't be taken out of the rankings unless the player asks this or the player has violated parts of the conduct code. It's correct the way it is now. Retiring is not like signing a contract with ATP. In fact, the player doesn't even have to tell the ATP he is retiring (maybe except for commitment players).
 
#764 ·
I don't really understand why when a player retires that they are still in the ranking if they want to be, they should be taken off the computer right away, it makes no sense to still be there, it's just taking up a spot for others, ATP has to change this.
 
#767 ·
Players retiring is not by ATP choice, but by player choice. The players basically announce they won't be playing any more tournaments, which does not concern the ATP. ATP doesn't have to do anything. Players can change their mind and continue playing despite announcing not playing anymore. They shouldn't be taken out of the rankings unless the player asks this or the player has violated parts of the conduct code. It's correct the way it is now. Retiring is not like signing a contract with ATP. In fact, the player doesn't even have to tell the ATP he is retiring (maybe except for commitment players).
I know it's by player choice of course, but it's the ATP's computer, other sports when players retire remove said player from their stats etc. so why not tennis, and you can't expect the ATP to wonder if that player will come back, which they usually probably won't, they can't be dealing with that, as I said before it's not fair to active players to have retired guys taking up their spots, like for instance when Roddick made a big deal of his retirement, I think it's quite certain he won't be coming back, so there is no point in having him still in the ranking.

When is a retired player removed from the computer btw, when the season ends?
 
#768 ·
Why is it "not fair" to active players? Where's the harm? It is no worse being ranked #102 behind five retired players than #97 behind none. You compete for places in tournaments only with those who want to play said tournaments.

Retired players fall off when their results do. Sampras was ranked #34 before the start of US Open 2003, then afterwards he was gone from the list - a full year after he last played. The same goes for those who have publically announced they were going to retire, but stopped short of asking to have their ranking removed.
 
#785 ·
Djokovic has an excellent "chance" to become a slamless #1 after AO. It's been quite a while since ATP had one of those. All that needs to happen is someone other than himself or Federer winning the title.
Yes, not since the 70s if I'm not mistaken. And each time it happened there was with contested #1s. Connors is not always credited as being #1 in 1975 or 1977.
 
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