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Better career: Henman vs Haas vs Ljubicic

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#1 · (Edited)
Who has had a better career (or so far in Hass's case)?

Tim Henman
Highest ranking: 4
Career titles: 11
Best grand slam results: 6 SFs
Most important titles: W Paris 1000, F of Cincinnati 1000, F of Indian Wells x 2

vs

Tommy Haas
Highest ranking: 2
Career titles: 13
Best grand slam results: 4 SFs
Most important titles: W Stuttgart 1000, F of Rome 1000, Silver medal 2000 Olympics

vs

Ivan Ljubicic
Highest ranking: 3
Career titles: 10
Best grand slam results: 1 SF
Most important titles: W Indian Wells 1000, F of Madrid 1000, Paris 1000 & Miami 1000
 
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#3 ·
Had he stayed healthy for the majority of his career it would be Haas definitely. As it is it's close between him and Henman, but I still think Tommy takes this.

Ljubo had a great career too, but the other two are a step above him due to his poor results at slams.
 
#7 ·
Legenda doesn't even on the same stratosphere as the other two.
 
#11 ·
1. Tommy
2. Timmy
3. Ljuby
 
#13 ·
Who has had a better career (or so far in Hass's case)?

Tim Henman
Highest ranking: 4
Career titles: 11
Best grand slam results: 6 SFs
Most important titles: W Paris 1000, F of Cincinnati 1000

vs

Tommy Haas
Highest ranking: 2
Career titles: 13
Best grand slam results: 4 SFs
Most important titles: W Stuttgart 1000, F of Rome 1000, Silver medal 2000 Olympics

vs

Ivan Ljubicic
Highest ranking: 3
Career titles: 10
Best grand slam results: 1 SF
Most important titles: W Indian Wells 1000, F of Madrid 1000, Paris 1000 & Miami 1000
Why didn't you mention Henman's 2 Indian Wells finals?
 
#45 ·
Tommy underachieved? :facepalm: Tommy had 3 injuries with which many other players would have thrown in the towel already a long time ago. But Tommy fighted back every time and as far as I know he is the only player to have won the ATP-comeback award twice during his career.
Haas > Tim > Ljubicic
this is my order as well.
 
#16 · (Edited)
Henman probably beats Haas career wise, but it's close. Haas is/was the better player at his peak though, IMO.

Ljubicic's GS-results - one QF (AO) and one SF (RG) and other than that early exits – has got be one of the weakest results ever from a world nr 3. Especially considering he played nearly 50 GS tournaments. It must have been some kind of mental blockage.
 
#31 ·
Tommy just edges Timmy by being number 2
I've seen good arguments in Haas's favour in this thread, but the "number 2" argument should not be given too much importance imo.

Haas at number 2 in 2002 had a similar number of ATP points as Henman at number 4 in 2004.

Actually Haas's highest number of points he got at number 3 in summer 2002 (3030 points), Henman at number 4 had his best of the 00s after the US Open 2004 (2825)
 
#20 ·
Henman
 
#22 ·
Henman : he's quite near from Haas but one of the arguments is that he played a semifinal in Roland-Garros with his style, which is something I always appreciate, also made semifinals in Wimbledon and the US Open

Haas's semifinals look too concentrated on the Australian open even though he played 3 QFs in the US Open. And he never reached the QFs of Roland-Garros (was very near once :lol: )

Ljubivic didn't do well enough in slams.
 
#24 ·
Not obvious at all really and if you take circumstances into account Haas wins comfortably. Henman had a pretty cushy run with injuries in comparison.

Henman had better slam results but Haas has a silver medal. Win loss ratio is virtually identical. Haas has more titles but slightly worse MS1000 results. H2H is 3-2 for Haas. You'd have to say Henman's biggest advantage is the fact he was able to stay top 10 consistently.
 
#27 ·
Both were naturally gifted but in terms of pure talent Haas was better. Henman's talent looks slightly better these days because literally no one can pull off his style of play anymore.

Yup Haas slightly ahead. Higher ranking, and TMS + Olympic silver is better than one TMS. That being said Henman's Paris TMS win and the quality of opposition he beat is arguably better than 95%+ of TMS title runs.
Yep Henman's Paris win was insane beating Grosjean, Kuerten, Federer, Roddick, Pavel and probably one of the best of all time. Haas' was no slouch either though - Schalken, Arazi, Henman himself, peak Hewitt and Myrni.
 
#28 ·
What made that Paris win more impressive was as an unseeded guy he only got in cause of a withdrawal, beat Denko, Grosjean, Guga, Federer, Roddick and then surprise finalist Pavel- rather fortunate that as Jiri Novak choked the semi and his counter-punching game gave Henman fits, especially in the Athens Olympics.
 
#29 ·
anyone but Ljubicic, a complete mug in GS. Most inflated highest rank ever.
 
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