Who has had a better career (or so far in Hass's case)?
Tim Henman
Highest ranking: 4
Career titles: 11
Best grand slam results: 6 SFs
Most important titles: W Paris 1000, F of Cincinnati 1000, F of Indian Wells x 2
vs
Tommy Haas
Highest ranking: 2
Career titles: 13
Best grand slam results: 4 SFs
Most important titles: W Stuttgart 1000, F of Rome 1000, Silver medal 2000 Olympics
vs
Ivan Ljubicic
Highest ranking: 3
Career titles: 10
Best grand slam results: 1 SF
Most important titles: W Indian Wells 1000, F of Madrid 1000, Paris 1000 & Miami 1000
Had he stayed healthy for the majority of his career it would be Haas definitely. As it is it's close between him and Henman, but I still think Tommy takes this.
Ljubo had a great career too, but the other two are a step above him due to his poor results at slams.
I'm going with Henman, since it's unusual for someone with his game to do so well. Haas would have had the better career if he had been injury-free though.
Ljubicic was 3 for like 2 weeks. He also had one of the easiest draws in history to reach his RG SF (his highest ranked opponent was Ramirez Hidalgo at 79)
If you're going to talk about Ljubo in terms of career achievements then you really should include the 2005 Davis Cup, especially so given that he won it pretty much single-handedly
If you're going to talk about Ljubo in terms of career achievements then you really should include the 2005 Davis Cup, especially so given that he won it pretty much single-handedly
Who has had a better career (or so far in Hass's case)?
Tim Henman
Highest ranking: 4
Career titles: 11
Best grand slam results: 6 SFs
Most important titles: W Paris 1000, F of Cincinnati 1000
vs
Tommy Haas
Highest ranking: 2
Career titles: 13
Best grand slam results: 4 SFs
Most important titles: W Stuttgart 1000, F of Rome 1000, Silver medal 2000 Olympics
vs
Ivan Ljubicic
Highest ranking: 3
Career titles: 10
Best grand slam results: 1 SF
Most important titles: W Indian Wells 1000, F of Madrid 1000, Paris 1000 & Miami 1000
Tommy underachieved? Tommy had 3 injuries with which many other players would have thrown in the towel already a long time ago. But Tommy fighted back every time and as far as I know he is the only player to have won the ATP-comeback award twice during his career.
Henman probably beats Haas career wise, but it's close. Haas is/was the better player at his peak though, IMO.
Ljubicic's GS-results - one QF (AO) and one SF (RG) and other than that early exits – has got be one of the weakest results ever from a world nr 3. Especially considering he played nearly 50 GS tournaments. It must have been some kind of mental blockage.
I've seen good arguments in Haas's favour in this thread, but the "number 2" argument should not be given too much importance imo.
Haas at number 2 in 2002 had a similar number of ATP points as Henman at number 4 in 2004.
Actually Haas's highest number of points he got at number 3 in summer 2002 (3030 points), Henman at number 4 had his best of the 00s after the US Open 2004 (2825)
Henman : he's quite near from Haas but one of the arguments is that he played a semifinal in Roland-Garros with his style, which is something I always appreciate, also made semifinals in Wimbledon and the US Open
Haas's semifinals look too concentrated on the Australian open even though he played 3 QFs in the US Open. And he never reached the QFs of Roland-Garros (was very near once :lol: )
Not obvious at all really and if you take circumstances into account Haas wins comfortably. Henman had a pretty cushy run with injuries in comparison.
Henman had better slam results but Haas has a silver medal. Win loss ratio is virtually identical. Haas has more titles but slightly worse MS1000 results. H2H is 3-2 for Haas. You'd have to say Henman's biggest advantage is the fact he was able to stay top 10 consistently.
Both were naturally gifted but in terms of pure talent Haas was better. Henman's talent looks slightly better these days because literally no one can pull off his style of play anymore.
Yup Haas slightly ahead. Higher ranking, and TMS + Olympic silver is better than one TMS. That being said Henman's Paris TMS win and the quality of opposition he beat is arguably better than 95%+ of TMS title runs.
Yep Henman's Paris win was insane beating Grosjean, Kuerten, Federer, Roddick, Pavel and probably one of the best of all time. Haas' was no slouch either though - Schalken, Arazi, Henman himself, peak Hewitt and Myrni.
What made that Paris win more impressive was as an unseeded guy he only got in cause of a withdrawal, beat Denko, Grosjean, Guga, Federer, Roddick and then surprise finalist Pavel- rather fortunate that as Jiri Novak choked the semi and his counter-punching game gave Henman fits, especially in the Athens Olympics.
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